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dirimini



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
spiral78 wrote:
I know that. I was making it as simple as possible. Should have said pay and benefits.


Yep. Pay and benefits.
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dirimini



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
JZer wrote:
dirimini, the United States and Europe are about the only places in the world that offer unemployment and retirement benefits. Most people around the world save for their own retirements.

Check out the resent article "Spending is Patriotic" in China Economic Review. It tells how rural people in China will not spend money because they save it for medical problems and the future since there are no safety nets in China.


Are you sure? Aside from the obvious omissions (Australia, New Zealand, Canada), are you positive that no other countries in, e.g., South America offer such things? I'm actually not sure myself, but wonder.

But even in the US, there is a very large percentage of people who don't get retirement benefits; in fact, most of the people I know are saving for their retirement, as they don't have any sort of pension plan beyond the (increasingly dubious) Social Security.

Not to say it isn't more difficult for low-wage workers in China, of course.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Glenski wrote:
If you mean private school = private high school (or JHS), then there is essentially no advancement. Contracts are for 3 years for FT workers, and if you are lucky to get a tenured (sennin) slot, you will have to take classes to get a Japanese teaching license (and then renew it every 10 years). Your pay will rise incrementally with your age, but only in very small amounts.

If you mean private school = eikaiwa, you'd be a fool to consider staying there beyond a year or 3. Moreover, the only advancement is to manager, and they (especially the foreign ones) are usually despised because they don't have a clue what they are doing and are often tyrants.


Actually, I meant for-profit language schools. I'm not very well-versed in the situation in Japan, as it's not really a country I was considering. Yet.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Actually, I meant for-profit language schools.
Well, just to keep you informed, here in Japan there is very little room for advancement in them. Perhaps from teacher to manager or in the case of bigger outfits (of which there are few), a trainer.

JZer,
Japan also offers unemployment benefits and a retirement plan. Not that either one is stellar, but which country's is?
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dirimini



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Glenski wrote:
Well, just to keep you informed, here in Japan there is very little room for advancement in them. Perhaps from teacher to manager or in the case of bigger outfits (of which there are few), a trainer.


Thanks. All information is helpful, and appreciated.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Are you sure? Aside from the obvious omissions (Australia, New Zealand, Canada), are you positive that no other countries in, e.g., South America offer such things? I'm actually not sure myself, but wonder.


I see that I did omit Australia and New Zealand.

Naturegirl, what about retirement benefits in South America? Peru?
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dirimini



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
So, understanding that having a non-English (literature/language)-related PhD is not really a help in securing a uni position in ESL outside the US - which is actually not at all surprising - I'm wondering if it has any usefulness in terms of getting work at for-profit schools? Or would I basically be the same as all the other newbies (with fresh CELTA(TM)) in hand)?

And not to take this too far outside the purview of these fora - has anyone transitioned out of ESL to a totally non-language-related field in another country? Or to a language-related field outside of schools?

Thanks again.
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