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Worth Having, but you still need a TEFL or CELTA |
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Definite Advantage in it's own right |
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Waste of money and time, but hey at least you will be doing something |
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Certi-fi-what? |
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fladude
Joined: 02 Feb 2009 Posts: 432
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:57 am Post subject: Worth becoming certified (as a teacher in the US)? |
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I am still slowly but surely moving towards a career in ESL. I've had some setbacks most particularly in terms of not being paid by the US Government for a substantial sum that I am owed (I will be paid but it's taking a long time). Since it looks like I have a couple months to wait, I decided to bulk up my teaching status here in the States. I found a local community college (it's a State College and is accredited) that offers a high speed summer session which gives 15 hours of college credit and results in teaching certification (and I believe that my own State's certification is reciprocal with most, if not all other states). I had planned to become certified in ESL, English and Social Sciences (my background is in law and history so I know that I can pass the Social Science exam easily and decided to just spend the extra 65 dollars on the certification). I already have a BA and a JD so the college credit is pretty worthless, but the certification seems like a good deal.
I guess I'm going to do this even if it's worthless since I'm stuck here anyway and it's relatively inexpensive (might as well do something while I'm waiting to get paid). At least I will be certified to teach somewhere. But do you think it will be worthwhile? |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:27 am Post subject: Re: Worth becoming certified (as a teacher in the US)? |
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fladude wrote: |
I am still slowly but surely moving towards a career in ESL. I've had some setbacks most particularly in terms of not being paid by the US Government for a substantial sum that I am owed (I will be paid but it's taking a long time). Since it looks like I have a couple months to wait, I decided to bulk up my teaching status here in the States. I found a local community college (it's a State College and is accredited) that offers a high speed summer session which gives 15 hours of college credit and results in teaching certification (and I believe that my own State's certification is reciprocal with most, if not all other states). I had planned to become certified in ESL, English and Social Sciences (my background is in law and history so I know that I can pass the Social Science exam easily and decided to just spend the extra 65 dollars on the certification). I already have a BA and a JD so the college credit is pretty worthless, but the certification seems like a good deal.
I guess I'm going to do this even if it's worthless since I'm stuck here anyway and it's relatively inexpensive (might as well do something while I'm waiting to get paid). At least I will be certified to teach somewhere. But do you think it will be worthwhile? |
Do you want to teach children or adults? If children, then pursue the state teacher certification. If adults, keep in mind that CELTA, Trinity, SIT and other TESOL certificates are entry-level qualifications. If you want anything beyond that, consider a state certification in adult education (something a local organization where I live that teaches ESL classes requires of its teachers) along with a university certificate or master's degree in TESL. There is this thing called a DELTA (http://www.studyabroadinternational.com/USA/California/SF/San_Francisco_DELTA_about.html) but, well, it's not the same thing as having a government certification. |
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fladude
Joined: 02 Feb 2009 Posts: 432
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Chancellor,
Thanks for the info. I'm certainly hoping to teach adults, or at least older students. I am getting certified for 7th to 12th grade (high school education). I don't know if Florida has a State certification for teaching ESL to adults, although I am under the impression from what I can gather on the State website that the State would deem me qualified to teach ESL to adults once I am a certified high school teacher as long as it wasn't for college level credit (for which I assume I need a Master's degree from an accredited University).
Edited to add: I did find a certification for adult education administration, but I think it's for administration rather than teaching. I won't be able to do that though because it requires you to be a certified teacher for three years first. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Licenses are worth having, however, if you're not planning on using them, then they're not much good. I mean, if you get a license in teaching kids and you're teachin Bus English, it probably won't help.
If you want to teach in an intl school, then go for it. |
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hollysuel
Joined: 07 Oct 2007 Posts: 225 Location: Connecticut, USA
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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If you ever plan on returning to the states you would then have more options open to you if you have the credentials. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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But license certification does expire (as do we all.) In New Mexico, the provisional license last five years, but during that time you have to be doing stuff (workshops, courses, etc.) to get a permanent license. And the permanent licenses holders also have to do "professional development" to keep their licenses. |
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fladude
Joined: 02 Feb 2009 Posts: 432
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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johnslat wrote: |
But license certification does expire (as do we all.) In New Mexico, the provisional license last five years, but during that time you have to be doing stuff (workshops, courses, etc.) to get a permanent license. And the permanent licenses holders also have to do "professional development" to keep their licenses. |
Florida has the 5 year license as well, although ours is not provisional. If you meet the requirements, pass the background check, take the class and pass the certification exams then you are licensed for five years. I'm not sure what the continuing education requirements are.
I am also a licensed Florida attorney and do all of my CLE (continuing education) online. So it may be possible to do them from anywhere in the world. It's something that I will have to look into.
Edited to add: We do have a three temporary license, but I am not sitting for that. If I were, then I would get the license and have 3 years to become certified. But under the approach that I'm taking, I'm getting fully certified in advance. The course I'm taking is only open to people who already hold at least a BA and have 1 or 2 years or more work experience in an unrelated field. I suppose the idea is to encourage people in other types of work to become teachers. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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If you have a professional certificate, renewal looks pretty easy:
Florida teachers who are already certified need 6 credit hours every five years to renew their permanent certificate. This program is also good for those who want to reinstate an expired certification. You may take almost any SPC course with an education prefix or courses specific to your certification area to meet the requirements for renewal. Here is a list of Coursework for Certification Renewal & Reinstatement
http://www.spjc.cc.fl.us/bachelors/docs/Coursework_Certification_Courses.pdf
If you are employed by a private school, or if you are not currently employed as an educator, apply for renewal online or request Application Form CG-10R and submit the completed application to the Bureau of Educator Certification.
Six (6) semester hours of college credit or equivalent must be earned during each renewal period to renew your certificate. See information below for retaining all subjects on your certificate.
Renewal requirements must be completed during the last validity period of the Professional Certificate and prior to expiration of the Professional Certificate. It is the responsibility of each applicant to obtain current information regarding renewal requirements from the employing school district, nonpublic school, or Bureau of Educator Certification.
The application form and appropriate fee must be submitted during the last year of the validity period of the certificate and prior to the expiration of the Professional Certificate. However, the renewal application may be submitted after expiration of the Professional Certificate if the following criteria are met:
Appropriate renewal requirements are completed prior to expiration of the Professional Certificate, and
Renewal application form, application fee, and $30.00 late fee are submitted to the Bureau of Educator Certification prior to July 1 of the year following expiration of the certificate.
A grade of at least �C� must be earned in each college course used for renewal. A grade of �pass� or �satisfactory� is an acceptable grade.
In the event a subject is deleted from the certificate at the request of the certificate holder or due to noncompletion of renewal requirements, all requirements which are in effect when an application is submitted to add the subject to the certificate again must be completed.
College level credits used for certificate renewal must be completed at an accredited or approved institution. Florida residents may view a list of our state's accredited colleges and universities and accredited community colleges.
College credit awarded for CLEP, DANTES Subject Standardized Test, Excelsior, other examination, life experience, or other method is acceptable for renewal if the credit is reflected on an official transcript by an accredited or approved institution and the content of the course is appropriate.
http://www.fldoe.org/edcert/renew.asp
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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fladude wrote: |
Chancellor,
Thanks for the info. I'm certainly hoping to teach adults, or at least older students. I am getting certified for 7th to 12th grade (high school education). I don't know if Florida has a State certification for teaching ESL to adults, although I am under the impression from what I can gather on the State website that the State would deem me qualified to teach ESL to adults once I am a certified high school teacher as long as it wasn't for college level credit (for which I assume I need a Master's degree from an accredited University).
Edited to add: I did find a certification for adult education administration, but I think it's for administration rather than teaching. I won't be able to do that though because it requires you to be a certified teacher for three years first. |
From what I've seen of the Florida Bureau of Education they don't seem to have anything like a certification in adult education (which would obviously cover things besides ESL). Here in New York State where I live we have just such a certificate (http://www.highered.nysed.gov/tcert/certificate/aducomm.htm). Then, of course, there are ESL courses taught through the universities that will likely have their own requirements. |
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