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Lost Avon Lady



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 2:39 pm    Post subject: To Compound or Not...? Reply with quote

I apologise if this thread has been discussed before (no doubt it has) but I was hoping a few expats could offer some advice or suggest a site or two where I could access the information.

I am looking at accepting a job offer in Jeddah Saudi Arabia, however, accommodation isn't part of the deal. I've had various family and friends who have lived out there, and all underline the need to live on a compound. I asked my employer about the average cost of such a place, however, they've yet to get back to me. Rather than sit back and wait I thought I would look myself.

*On average how much would an apartment in a compound set me back? Hopefully, just the simple one bedroom furnished pack. I looked at another site and they marked something between 2000-6000.

*What other options are available? And how likely will it be that my employer with help me to find decent and reasonable price place.

Thanks for your help in advance.


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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the need to live on a compound.


There is no 'need' to live on a compound. Honestly there isn't. I speak as a single woman who, in her years in KSA, has never lived in such a place. Of course there are many advantages to compound life but not everyone wants, much less, requires the particular benefits of compound life.

That said, as a single woman you will probably want to choose your place of residence carefully. Compounds do offer security and the freedom to dress and behave more or less as you please (although some compounds are more conservative in this respect than others). Compounds also make it easier for you to socialise with other expats and - depending on the compound itself - should offer various recreation amenities.

On the down side, the accommodation in a compound is very expensive relative to similar accommodation in a 'normal' city apartment. Just how expensive is impossible to say, as some compounds are very basic, while others are mini-cities which you rarely have to leave. Obviously, the latter are much more expensive, probably well beyond the budget of a mere English teacher.
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cmp45



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a single person, I think it is difficult to find housing on your own -period.

Most apartment buildings seem to favor married couples.
As a single male teacher we have apartments supplied by our employer in a building only for single men- specifically that work at our college.
No women allowed.

So as a single women looking for an apartment on your own with out help from your employer seems like a daunting task.

Perhaps in Jeddah it is more relaxed than Riyadh, but it is still KSA and think that it will be difficult to find an apartment...unless it is strictly for single females or perhaps they allow single females in with married family apartment buildings? It seems that unlikely you will find apartments that house single men and single women in same building Shocked

Perhaps Cleo can elaborate as she may know more about it...so...Cleo did you find your own apartment or did your employer provide/ help you find your flat? Is it in an all female building or is it mixed ???

The rules for housing can be quite unique/ complex in this country...many factors to consider if you have to find your own place...cost/ location/ furnished unfurnished/ type of building/ compound or no compound.

I would try again to illicit help from your employer or try to get some of the expats working at your place of work to guide you.
Have to say it is much easier if the employer already has accomodation set for you...However, downside to that may not be what you want-like, but certainly less hassles.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cleo did you find your own apartment or did your employer provide/ help you find your flat? Is it in an all female building or is it mixed ???


In all cases, my accommodation was supplied by my employers.

In one case, I was living in an apartment building similar to yours, except for women. Almost convent-like conditions, only stricter! No male guests whatsoever - you even had to get advance written permission for a male satellite TV maintenance person to enter the building!

In other cases, I lived in an area of the city where housing was 'mixed' and access pretty much unrestricted.

I agree that it would be very difficult for a single person - particularly a woman unfamiliar with KSA - to find accommodation on her own. She will certainly need the assistance of her employers. Seeing as her employers do not in fact provide housing as part of the package, they should be helpful in this regard. "Should", however, does not mean 'will'.
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battleshipb_b



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really depends where you live. Riyadh tends be much more rigid about segregation rules for staff. Jeddah is more easy-going as is Dammam.
Compound living can be very sterile but at least you usually have facilities like a pool and tennis courts. Some of the apartment complexes are badly maintained ghettoes.
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what I said about compounds in a thread 2 years ago.

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And that is exactly why it would be better to be in a compound, if you don't want your family to rot, that is. Your wife, your kids, can feely walk outside within the compound whenever they wish without worries of safety or people gawking at them. They can go to the pool, the store, the gym, whatever. Or take a walk at night around the compound, for fun, for exercise, for conversation.

In an apartment building, kids and women rot inside, as they can't just walk out in most places in Jeddah. As someone mentioned, muggings have increases in certain areas, and women, even when wearing an abaya, are always a target of horny teens in cars. (not abduction, just verbal harassment)

How nice would it be for your wife to take your kids outside in the late afternoon around the compound for a walk, or go sit at the pool, and when you come back from work, you directly come to the pool and have a nice time with your family?

In an apartment, either your are inside, or if outside, in a car (talking about families with kids here). And this mechanical lifestyle with rare access to nature or to physical exercise, leads to depression, laziness, obesity, and just being sick of life.

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To each his own, but the fact of the matter is, compounds are far better for anybody's physical, mental, and emotional health, and these factors all contribute to it:

1) Clean inside, without rubbish (all Jeddah streets are liberally strewn with garbage) or overflowing raw sewage (as frequently happens to apartment buildings).

2) Lots of greenery, with the air being cleaner and cooler at night by up to a few degrees.

3) Availability of pools, a gym, tennis/badminton courts, and even billiards/ping pong. In the city, next to impossible, and only for men.

4) Nice large windows which let in sunlight all day long.

5) Free of noise pollution, which plagues the city. At night, in many parts of the city it is hard to sleep at night because of cars passing by, but a compound is eerily quiet at night.

6) For women and children, no worries if they walk out any time of the day or night, for whatever reason. And for women, having a store inside is also great (for men too), and the privilege to exercise, which is available to perhaps <2% of the women here. Kids can ride around in bikes (dangerous outside, with the cars around).

7) People on compounds hold barbecues regularly, which is a nice time to socialize and eat in a calm clean area in public. Impossible to do in the city, unless one lives in a house or in a villa.

8 ) Even accessibility to domestic help. There are several maids who visit compounds throughout the week, going around different houses for a few hours each. All you do is contact one of them, and fix the days and hours for her to come by just to provide a helping hand (great because out inthe city, this is hard, and most people keep full-time live-in maids). Sometimes, what my friends have done, is hire for a few hours a week, some of the live-in maids on compounds (of course with the permission of their "masters").

9) Heck, even the architecture, and the interior layout and floor tilings. Apartment buildings feel too industrial, and can lead to depression in susceptible individuals. Compound units have a nice functional layout, with warm colors and textures (of walls, tiles, etc), and definitely very warm and inviting furniture, with a lot of it solid wood. (which would cost a pretty penny if buying for an apartment outside)

10) And oh yeah, having a taxi service inside is very good, esp in emergencies, for women.

That's all I can think of now... I am sure I am missing some.

As I said, to each his own.


A 1-bed furnished unit in a compound will set you back anywhere between SR. 35,000 and 65,000, depending on the compound. Most will be around SR. 40,000.
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cmp45 wrote:

I would try again to illicit help from your employer

I wouldn�t try to ��illicit�� anything but might try to ��elicit�� it. Not the first time this blunder has been seen here!

Going back to the OP�s point. I would definitely recommend compound life. Mine was modestly priced but clean and pleasant. Pools, tennis and other sports facilities. Nice little restaurant. And as a woman you can dress as you would in the ��west��. Sane drivers, too.
Regards
SR
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Mia Xanthi



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As others have said, it is a very personal choice. Some people find compounds claustrophobic and feel that they are trapped in some sort of Western expat/middle America suburban gulag (or British, for that matter). Others feel that an apartment gives a female no chance to go outside freely. Myself, I would have hated living in an apartment here. I need to be able to go outside in jeans and a t-shirt once in a while, and I find the social possibilities of the compound to be very agreeable to my lifestyle. Others who need more privacy or a feeling of being "really" in Saudi Arabia should obviously choose an apartment.

Good luck to you making your decision.
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, good luck! I support compound living. I lived a year "on the economy" and developed "Compound-interest" after being invited to visit by one of my wife's friends. Remember this tho, with all that "humanity" trapped inside those walls, they can also be considered bomber magnets.

Two of mine were...

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