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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you for the update. So many don't do that so it's appreciated. Good luck. |
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Teatime of Soul
Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 905
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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When your school submits your documents for an invitation letter they receive a colorful blue form with embossed red numbers.
This form has a perforated top that duplicate those red letters, as well as the name of the employer.
The school tears off and keeps this perforated top of the form.
The school then sends you the Invitation Letter, which in turn you submit to a Chinese Embassy/consulate. In return, they place a Z Visa sticker in your passport, which allows you entry into China for 30 days during which you must have your Z Visa augmented by a Foreign Residence Permit.
Now, to make sure that the employee has not errantly strayed to the wrong employer, and that the employer has not errantly attempted to hire an employee on another employers Z Visa, that top perforated portion must be submitted by the employer to the local officials.
No number match, no job.
This control check is by and large, invisible to the FT so many may be unaware of the process. |
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evaforsure

Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 1217
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:55 am Post subject: |
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No number match, no job.
This control check is by and large, invisible to the FT so many may be unaware of the process. |
This is true in most cases and has been brought to the attention before but as to the answers, an applicant can see the variety of procedures..
arioch36
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| When a school requests a work permit? The foreigner requests the z-visa. The z-visa is not school specific. The work permit is. |
This is the reason many want to come on an L or an F to subvert the process, but and this is a big but...recently my company hired a young lady who had come on a z visa for another school, but was unhappy with the financial arrangements. If the applicant can find another school with the ability to hire a foreigner, they may be able to switch, but and here is the but....it depends on the province...and the ability of the employer
Eddie:
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| I question this claim; why would commercial go-betweens be allowed to take care of work visas in mainland China? I believe all these agents are crooks. |
Crooks or not, this has proven to be the case during the games in Beijing and continues to be the case with some of the agencies.
It is a mixed bag of tricks and no one has all the answers. What works for some will not work for others, but I truly believe there is not one right way. |
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middlekmissie
Joined: 07 May 2009 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Obviously, you had some hard luck in this situation, and I'm sorry to hear of it. However, I worked at this school for the two years preceding the period in question, and I wanted to share my experience.
(Full disclosure: I was contacted by a former coworker who is still employed at the school. She asked me to do this; however, when I read your post, I also wanted to put my two cents in, mostly on behalf of the students.)
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| And the apartment on campus is nice enough, but it was filthy, and it took a week to get a bed and a toilet seat. |
Yes, as others have said, this is not uncommon in China, and I would say that if you would call it "a nice enough apartment", they either did extensive remodeling or gave you a better place than they did me.
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| But it turned out that Guangzhou International Economics College is not in Guangzhou! What naive newbies we were. It's in a farming village called Da Yuan. To get to GZ, you pay a motorcycle guy 3 rmb to take you a mile to the main road. Catch the 862B bus, and in one and a half to two hours, you're in GZ. Getting food and other necessities has been a nightmare. |
Yes and no. The college has brought prosperity and modernization to Dayuan village like you wouldn't believe! A few years ago, it was much smaller, dirtier, etc.
This situation may not have been what you prefer, and I admit that there were times it really annoyed me, too. However, I tended to appreciate the fresh air, profusion of plants, and less noise that are results of the "farming village" location.
What you describe was more or less the transportation method when I started at the school, though you can also take a minibus rather than a motorcycle, or walk, if the weather's nice. The 862B is the only one that takes you directly to the Star Hotel area, which is one big center of the city, and it can take a very long time. But now there are two other buses which will take you to Tianhe, an area that also has most everything a foreigner would require, and these buses are much shorter rides (about half an hour).
Also, there are plenty of perfectly good supermarkets much closer than either of those two destinations, not to mention the wet market in the village and the cheap, delicious restaurants right outside the school gate (Lanzhou noodles, how I miss you!).
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| Foreign teachers are not trained to use the AV equipment in the classrooms...But often the chinese teachers, who are overtly hostile, lock up the equipment. Can't make copies or get anything printed. No textbooks for some of the classes, and the books they do provide are a joke. |
Again, partly true. No training on equipment: true. Hard to get copies/printing done: true. Bad textbooks: mostly true, although I was never held accountable for using them at all, so I mostly didn't. I was often lucky to get an AV classroom, but I never found that the Chinese teachers were hostile (on the contrary, they were very friendly), and although sometimes hard to find who and how, would quite readily unlock things for us anytime we needed.
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| We teach mostly second year students majoring in "business english". Only most of them speak no english at all...Maybe 15 percent of my "business english" sophomores have good enough english to wait tables in a restaurant that caters to westerners. |
The non English majors' English is often quite deplorable, this is definitely true. In addition, you have a few kids in every English major class of whom this is true. However, I felt that most of the English major kids, while nowhere near fluent, were fairly conversant on something like an "Advanced Beginner" level, and a few were much better.
As far as the visa situation goes, I don't know what to say, except that they were always more than helpful with me, and my visa changes (from tourist to work) were quite smooth and easy.
I'm very sorry that you and your wife got sick; I also got sick during my stay, but mostly didn't try to get reimbursed by the school. Health care standards are different there, and health insurance is still a pretty new concept. Very few Chinese health insurance policies are worth much. So I ended up going to Hong Kong for better care, and paying out of pocket. Frustrating, expensive...yes, but worth it, IMHO.
I'm glad that you found a job that fits you better, in a city that fits you better. Guangzhou is not my favorite city either, and I have really tried to be honest about the school's shortcomings, but my experience there was not so bad. I just hope that not everyone is discouraged from going there. For many of the students there, this is their last good chance to get a decent job, and without any foreign teachers, that chance just got a lot slimmer. |
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