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Mexicobound



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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DoubleDutch wrote:
gaijinalways wrote:
First both Linux and Apple do have viruses and worm attacks, but it's harder to gauge the numbers as there are far less users of both those OSes
and thus far less malware type of programs written for them

In my 7 years of intensive Linux usage and being in contact with many other users, I have never ever seen or heard about an actual virus, worm or other malware infecting a Linux system. I do hear they exist, but apparently are very very rare.

That said, a greater danger is people breaking into a system by exploiting bugs in running services. So it is always advised to run a firewall and keep software up to date. (The same danger exists on all OSes, but Microsoft is known to sometimes not patch known exploits for weeks.)

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My impression of other Linux users is that those systems (including Red Hat) are more apt for programmers and people who want to customize their operating systems to use.

Linux does attract its fair share of programmers and tinkerers, because if its open source nature and wide range of choice in many areas. But in the last few years especially, several distros (Linux distributions) have been stressing the point of ease of use. First and foremost of these is Ubuntu. I would even go so far to say that for a beginner it is in many cases even easier to work with than Windows.

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As to free Office program subsitutes, in theory, maybe great. As to compatibility with other users who aren't using them, sorry, doesn't quite work until a lot of other people start adopting them.

OpenOffice.org has very good compatibility with MS Office documents, so in most cases (given that the majority of documents are fairly straightforward) there is no problem.

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PS1 And yes I agree, Windows, in my opinion, is a necessary evil at best. Then again, remember, it's made to run on many different types of computers and periephals, whereas Apples work with....only Apple. Lots of choice there... Rolling Eyes

Linux runs on more types of computers than Windows does, as well as on Apple's older PowerPC platform. Peripherals can be a problem though, as many hardware makers still can't be bothered with supporting Linux, although this is changing.


Double dutch,
Thanks for your input, I just found your post.
Very informative.
I was also going to say something about the vast online community of support for Ubuntu and other Linux distributions.
If I am not mistaken, any Linux issue can be resolved with a simple search on Linux forums.


ps:
I am getting a netbook and thinking about an ASUS.
Looks like the build on the ASUS Eee PC 1000 40g is a dual disk: an 8gig SLC SSD for the OS and a 32gig MLC SSD for storage.
Any thoughts?
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MrMrLuckyKhan



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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mexicobound wrote:


ps:
I am getting a netbook and thinking about an ASUS.
Looks like the build on the ASUS Eee PC 1000 40g is a dual disk: an 8gig SLC SSD for the OS and a 32gig MLC SSD for storage.
Any thoughts?


Go for it!! I love mine!! Mine is bigger and weighs much more im sure cuz its got a 6-cell battery, but i swear it seems like it couldnt get any lighter... Check out my earlier post about it, go to that website, and read the reviews and check the stats for the different ones. I spent days comparing different models and going to several locations in my city to check them out for myself and liked this one much more than any of the other ones. Honestly, the prices are so cheap on almost all of them I think it would be hard to not get a good deal. The 1000HE i got is just the newest verson and it advertises 9.5 hours on battery, bluetooth, 160GB HDD, and a slightly faster ATOM proccessor than previous models (those points are just whats different in this one as opposed to the older ones available).
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mexicobound,

You really didn't get it, did you? I wasn't trying to pick any fight, I just think your advice is off the mark. I asked if you knew techs who work on Linux , you are now referring me to a Linux forum to try and find answers. And yes, you and doubledutch may be in that odd place where Linux is no problem. Some other users obviously have different opinions.

The people who own netbooks here are using XP mostly. Why, Vista is too big of a program to run on the current netbooks, and most of the users don't have the technical backgrounds or time to deal with Linux problems.

From my mac coworker who we call 'Gene the machine' (basically, if there is anything you want to do on a computer and he doesn't know how to do it...it doesn't exist). He stated that there are a few users in his Mac club who use Linux on their macs. They always seem to be having trouble, yet they like to brag how they are cutting edge techies.

Gene did tell me that if you use a a Red hat version of Linux it tends to be less buggy. In Japan, it is difficult to find people to work on newer versions of Linux (they tend not to have the knowledge to work on it)..., another reason why many people here on don't use it (unless you love programming), as you're probably going to be fixing it yourself.

I don't even want to open up the other issues again (openoffice, etc), if you don't like people picking apart what you say.....and disagreeing with you, you can always hang out at the Linux forum Twisted Evil Laughing !

But anyway, enjoy using your pcs, and I hope you make it to Mexico some day. It only took me a few years to get to Japan once I left the US (via Hong Kong and Taiwan).
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Mexicobound



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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:

I hope you make it to Mexico some day. It only took me a few years to get to Japan once I left the US (via Hong Kong and Taiwan).



LMAO, A few years to get there? Rolling Eyes
Try August. I have already interviewed with two private schools for a high school English teaching position; now I just need to figure out which job I want to take. Laughing
These are International Schools with regular 8-3 hours and no weekends.


Did you know I was already a high school English/Language Arts/ Reading teacher in Texas?

So even if I don't go to Mexico I have my gig in Texas. Wink
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Mexicobound



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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
Mexicobound,

You really didn't get it, did you? I wasn't trying to pick any fight, I just think your advice is off the mark. I asked if you knew techs who work on Linux , you are now referring me to a Linux forum to try and find answers. And yes, you and doubledutch may be in that odd place where Linux is no problem. Some other users obviously have different opinions.

The people who own netbooks here are using XP mostly. Why, Vista is too big of a program to run on the current netbooks, and most of the users don't have the technical backgrounds or time to deal with Linux problems.

From my mac coworker who we call 'Gene the machine' (basically, if there is anything you want to do on a computer and he doesn't know how to do it...it doesn't exist). He stated that there are a few users in his Mac club who use Linux on their macs. They always seem to be having trouble, yet they like to brag how they are cutting edge techies.

Gene did tell me that if you use a a Red hat version of Linux it tends to be less buggy. In Japan, it is difficult to find people to work on newer versions of Linux (they tend not to have the knowledge to work on it)..., another reason why many people here on don't use it (unless you love programming), as you're probably going to be fixing it yourself.

I don't even want to open up the other issues again (openoffice, etc), if you don't like people picking apart what you say.....and disagreeing with you, you can always hang out at the Linux forum Twisted Evil Laughing !

But anyway, enjoy using your pcs, and I hope you make it to Mexico some day. It only took me a few years to get to Japan once I left the US (via Hong Kong and Taiwan).


An open letter:

This is an example of an ignorant computer newbie who thinks he knows what he is talking about.
Mind you, he gets all his computer information from one guy named, "Gene the Machine" Rolling Eyes
A piece; a real piece.
I get my computer information from years of research and talking to many people and reading online articles.

Hey gaijinalways, I never post on Linux forums; I don't need to.
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MrMrLuckyKhan



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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mexicobound wrote:

I get my computer information from years of research and talking to many people and reading online articles.

Hey gaijinalways, I never post on Linux forums; I don't need to.


Hmmm... maybe one of the many people you have talked to in order to gain all of your computer information was Gene-Machine himself, or maye he even wrote one of those online articles youve read.... jk... Mr. Green
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Mexicobound



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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrMrLuckyKhan wrote:
Mexicobound wrote:

I get my computer information from years of research and talking to many people and reading online articles.

Hey gaijinalways, I never post on Linux forums; I don't need to.


Hmmm... maybe one of the many people you have talked to in order to gain all of your computer information was Gene-Machine himself, or maye he even wrote one of those online articles youve read.... jk... Mr. Green



I was more concerned that "Gene the Machine" might actually be Steve Jobs incognito. Laughing
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THis is getting way off topic- we seem to have gotten into the perenial linux debate, when the real original question was "Which netbook might be best for teacher's use?"

I vote for Acer- partly out of brand loyalty, partly because I find it to be a lot of computer for the money, compared to the "better" brands. I also like the way an Acer Aspire One community has sprung up online to respond to a host of issues, from upgrading your machine and dealing with hardware, to (surprise) installing linux (ubuntu, redhat, fedora, you name it) on it.

I'm a geeky guy, but not a computer tech. I use computers a lot, and I think, fairly well. I dislike Macs, because you seem to get less compatibility and less features for your money. I use both linux and windows regularly.

I find linux both more stable and less vulnerable to bugs and viruses than windows. But mostly, the install requires knowing what you're doing. And in most places I've lived, either you install linux yourself, or they'll install windows for you.

And while I find linux (which for me is fedora 9 at the moment) more stable than windows, computers are moody little *beep*ers sometimes. I don't think that you can install any operating system and assume that it will give you no trouble. And if you have trouble, you're either going to have to fix it yourself, or get someone to do it.

Not everybody wants to do it themselves. It's not hard to learn to, but some people would rather do their own dental work with a household drill. If this is you, unless there's a good linux tech near you, get a netbook that runs xp.

That said- Microsoft is an empire. Support freeware, learn to be free from the hedgemony. Open source rules. LINUX ROCKS. But know what you're getting into. Being a linux user is a commitment that will involved learning more about the computer than your average user-friendly windows user knows.

But for the debate of "Which one for the classroom?" it just doesn't matter. If you put Linux on a machine, or windows, if either is compatible with the machine and properly installed, it's the same machine for the purposes of most users.


Best,
Jsutin
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Mexicobound



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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Trullinger wrote:
THis is getting way off topic- we seem to have gotten into the perenial linux debate, when the real original question was "Which netbook might be best for teacher's use?"

I vote for Acer- partly out of brand loyalty, partly because I find it to be a lot of computer for the money, compared to the "better" brands. I also like the way an Acer Aspire One community has sprung up online to respond to a host of issues, from upgrading your machine and dealing with hardware, to (surprise) installing linux (ubuntu, redhat, fedora, you name it) on it.

I'm a geeky guy, but not a computer tech. I use computers a lot, and I think, fairly well. I dislike Macs, because you seem to get less compatibility and less features for your money. I use both linux and windows regularly.

I find linux both more stable and less vulnerable to bugs and viruses than windows. But mostly, the install requires knowing what you're doing. And in most places I've lived, either you install linux yourself, or they'll install windows for you.

And while I find linux (which for me is fedora 9 at the moment) more stable than windows, computers are moody little *beep*ers sometimes. I don't think that you can install any operating system and assume that it will give you no trouble. And if you have trouble, you're either going to have to fix it yourself, or get someone to do it.

Not everybody wants to do it themselves. It's not hard to learn to, but some people would rather do their own dental work with a household drill. If this is you, unless there's a good linux tech near you, get a netbook that runs xp.

That said- Microsoft is an empire. Support freeware, learn to be free from the hedgemony. Open source rules. LINUX ROCKS. But know what you're getting into. Being a linux user is a commitment that will involved learning more about the computer than your average user-friendly windows user knows.

But for the debate of "Which one for the classroom?" it just doesn't matter. If you put Linux on a machine, or windows, if either is compatible with the machine and properly installed, it's the same machine for the purposes of most users.


Best,
Jsutin


Thanks for setting this back on topic.
I agree that it comes to user preference.
I use both.
Have a nice weekend.
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I get to China I plan to get myself a Lemote YeeLoong, mostly for its geek factor. Very Happy It is produced in China, and uses a unique processor that only runs Linux (well, okay, maybe NetBSD could be run on it as well).
http://www.lemote.com/english/yeeloong.html
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Mexicobound



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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DoubleDutch wrote:
When I get to China I plan to get myself a Lemote YeeLoong, mostly for its geek factor. Very Happy It is produced in China, and uses a unique processor that only runs Linux (well, okay, maybe NetBSD could be run on it as well).
http://www.lemote.com/english/yeeloong.html


I like it.
What is the price?
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depending on the model, from �215 to �330.
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