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veiledsentiments
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I'm not disagreeing with you on that... I'm just saying as the student do, "That's the life." Bad management is not unusual, and with the lower tier jobs in the Gulf, it's darn near standard. I was fortunate that since I entered the Gulf with an MA and stayed in the government university structures that I avoided the worst of them.
What my above post was saying that expecting these countries to develop an appeal system to allow teachers (or any other employees) to tackle management - no matter how bad they are - isn't going to happen. It doesn't exist in the US unless you have one of those rare union jobs. 
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rigel
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VS. If you've worked in the ME for so long you know that vendettas are a common tactic used by incompetent and/or insecure bosses to get back at staff. You don't have to be a bad teacher to get a bad reference, being on bad terms with the boss is enough. Being more competent than the boss can also be a problem. The incompetents hate being shown up by competence. Some people are just downright mean. You know the type. You've probably worked with them.
People develop huge egos out here, particularly when they get promoted to administrative positions they would never have had back in their own country. Sometimes it's simply a matter of being in the right place at the right time with regard to promotion. Being a boss doesn't mean you are the right person for the job; it could just be a case of knowing the right people, pulling the right strings or pushing the right buttons. How many people are actually appointed because they have the right background and training in this part of the world? It's usually a sham and a scam. Some of the nastiest people I've met and taught with happen to be fellow-Americans which makes me f .....g mad. These guys give the rest of us good ole boys a bad name. We're not all creeps. Some of us like living out here and like the people we teach and work with. Some of us don't. Those are the ones who become problem people. |
This is the main reason I'd never sign a contract that requires me pay a sum if I leave early. A man should be able to flee head cases, large types, and inflated egos if those people are his boss. Am I alone in thinking this? I can see myself going to KSA, encountering a large type, going head to head with him, and ending up in jail. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| rigel wrote: |
| This is the main reason I'd never sign a contract that requires me pay a sum if I leave early. A man should be able to flee head cases, large types, and inflated egos if those people are his boss. Am I alone in thinking this? I can see myself going to KSA, encountering a large type, going head to head with him, and ending up in jail. |
I foresee a problem here with your confidence that they will comply with a contract. Personally I went with the idea that the rules of this document were for me... and that they would do pretty much as they pleased. And that is certainly what one sees here on this board with the dodgy employers.
Your ability to enforce any part of the contract is extremely limited... especially when they have your passport or you need their permission to leave the country.
That is why you pick your employers very carefully.
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rigel
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| Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| rigel wrote: |
| This is the main reason I'd never sign a contract that requires me pay a sum if I leave early. A man should be able to flee head cases, large types, and inflated egos if those people are his boss. Am I alone in thinking this? I can see myself going to KSA, encountering a large type, going head to head with him, and ending up in jail. |
I foresee a problem here with your confidence that they will comply with a contract. Personally I went with the idea that the rules of this document were for me... and that they would do pretty much as they pleased. And that is certainly what one sees here on this board with the dodgy employers.
Your ability to enforce any part of the contract is extremely limited... especially when they have your passport or you need their permission to leave the country.
That is why you pick your employers very carefully.
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I've already realized this is true. Throw in a couple hundred faces competing for jobs at a place, and one's negotiating power becomes nil. I'm hanging in there one last time for a school in the KSA. The admins there did call me long distance from Saudi one night, so I feel I owe them that much. But I'm smart enough to know the probability of my going to work at this place is very low. For this reason, my focus has shifted away from the KSA. But if I get a good offer and a fair contract, I may go for this job in Saudi. |
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wilberforce
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| Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Unfortunately in my time, I've seen my share of crooked employers and crap bosses. No place is perfect, but some are better than others. If you find a well-paying job in Saudi with good administration, let us Gulagers know as we are now treading on uncertain ground with the contractors not knowing whether or not they're coming or going. |
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