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texasisthereason
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| southern girl--I have not hit my minimum 25 posts in order to be allowed to PM just yet. I'll get back to you once i do. |
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Marcoregano
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| Anjin-san Hashimoto wrote: |
| I actually enjoy the postings of Yes Sir I Can Bogey ... I think suggesting Hong Kongers are racist is simply stating an obvious fact. Suggesting Hong Kongers are not necessarily very worldy or open to new ideas seems as normal an observation as noting that the weather is very hot today. |
It's hot today!
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Marcoregano
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Anjin-san Hashimoto wrote: |
| I actually enjoy the postings of Yes Sir I Can Bogey ... I think suggesting Hong Kongers are racist is simply stating an obvious fact. Suggesting Hong Kongers are not necessarily very worldy or open to new ideas seems as normal an observation as noting that the weather is very hot today. |
While not wanting to waste more time or thread space on this, I think some perspective is required here. Nobody would disagree with comments like those above, and nor did they. As you say, AsH, this is just stating the obvious. But Bogey doesn't just say HK is racist, he says things like 'the most racist', 'most suicidal' etc., - things that are not true. Also unpleasant are his unnecessarily rude or negative posts, where people are looking for reasonable advice or encouragement. Pls take a loser look. |
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RiverMystic
Joined: 13 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 1:03 am Post subject: Re: Thanks Beaker |
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I've been told on more than one occasion that I'm "EASY ON THE EYES". Asian men seem to like tall blondes with long legs.
I'm a graduate of a top 25 university. |
Are you fishing for reinforcement of your value as human being? Or just cruising for a flaming? I get told every day that "You are so handsome." "Your eyes are so beautiful." Or when shopping for clothes on Sunday "You are so unbelievably strong!" (by the clothes salesman). And my favourite: "Superman must be your father!" (more likely to be my son, these days  ).
However I usually don't come and write about it on the internet (I'll make an exception here). My self esteem remains mostly unaffected by flattery, and I don't need the name of a university to gain a sense of self. Seems to me you have bought into a mentality that is very American - and has strong parallels in East Asia too. An undue focus on surfaces, often at the expense of depth and substance. So come on over. Looks like you'll enjoy it here.
Another obvious point is that you really leave yourself vulnerable to manipulation if you fall for the East Asian flattery thing. That salesman who said I was so strong wanted to build up my ego, make me feel good, and so buy more clothes. Everyone else flattering you also wants to manipulate you in some way. It's just a matter of identifying what they want. |
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Yes Sir I Can Bogey
Joined: 23 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 6:16 am Post subject: |
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Parents and principals only take Yanks if they have to out of sheer desperation. This is as if a child uses the US English they have learned from a teacher from the US in an exam in HK they will fail. HK is an ex-British colony and British English is standard. In British English US sentences such as 'Did you go to Korea yet?' are downright ungrammatical and will be marked as wrong in both written and spoken examinations. In British English it must either be 'Have you been to Korea yet?' or 'Did you go to Korea?', depending of course on prior real-world knowledge. The same holds for lexical items and pronunciation, particularly vowels. They also don't like the use of 'like' that Americans make. If I recall correctly there is even a morbid joke about it in some textbook. A US guy falls into the river and shouts, "Like, help!".
HK parents are unenlightened snobs and they believe that US English is intrinsically inferior. This dislike for US teachers is reflected in the low percentage of NETs from the US. Perhaps if you has been to MIT or Harvard you may stand a chance but the 'top 25' is bit of a long shot. |
This is complete nonsense. |
So says the recession-proof non-teaching editor in the employ of the government of the HKAR, Marco; hardly a germane or informed opinion. Without exception my US friends say things such as 'Did you go to Korea yet?' which to me as a native speaker of British English is not only downright ungrammatical but is also actually quite painful to the ear. The semantics of 'yet' clash with those established by the tense of the clause in which it appears. And, as I stated, and as I know from my considerable work on corpora of HK student English/Interlanguage (it occupied me for some three years), I can say that if a student was to produce such a statement (perhaps as they had picked it up from their US English-speaking teacher) in either a written or oral exam then they will be marked as incorrect. I have worked as an examiner for both oral and written examinations, both at CEE and A level (and also at undergraduate and postgraduate level), I wonder whether Marco has.
Furthermore, if a student was to employ an item of vocabulary from US English then again they will be marked down. It is not the 'Fall' in HK, but is Autumn; it is not a 'period', but is a full-stop; it is not a 'sidewalk', but is a pavement; and they are not 'pants' (!), but are trousers. I could go on and on but the point should be clear.
The same holds for pronunciation, especially vowels and voicing/devoicing of some consonants. Thus for example when my New York friends say 'Have you been writing?' I really do not know for the life of me whether they have said 'writing' or 'riding'. In the spoken language there is no difference between the two for them.
I think the main reason for HK employers not desiring Americans however is that Yanks cannot comprehend the sheer importance of exams in HK schools, and certainly cannot relate to banding and relative class rankings (the system by which each student is given his or her academic 'position' in the class). After all, as I understand it, all one has to do to 'graduate' from a US high school is to reach a certain age. I do not believe there any exams as such, at least not which determine one's future (as is the case in HK). |
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Yes Sir I Can Bogey
Joined: 23 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| Ask bogey why international schools hold job fairs in San Fran as well as NYC. |
Why ask me? I think it would be better to ask the international schools themselves, and, with the exception of the American 'International' School, they are quite forthcoming as to why they have recently begun recruiting in the States: it is as they have begun to have a shortfall of teachers after their recruitment drives in their preferred countries, such as England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and also the far-flung fringes of the 'English-speaking' world, such as Scotland and India.
More to the point, why not ask the EDB why they do not recruit in the US for the NET schemes, but only in Canada (not exactly a million miles away from the US)? They even recruit in Malaysia rather than the US! That is very instructive as to how teachers from the US are regarded.
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Yes Sir I Can Bogey
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bogey wrote the following and has the ludicrous audacity to correct my spelling:
If you has........; has you.................
While I will confess to being a little too dependent upon spell check when I type,This is called "Trailer Trash" language where I come from. |
If you look at your keyboard you will note that the 's' is immediately adjacent to the 'd', thus my writing 'has' instead of the intended 'had' was clearly a typographic error and I am sure most people on this forum are big enough to overlook such a trifle error. However, your wholly incorrect renditions of 'Taiwanese' and 'guarantee' on the other hand betray an acute inability to spell, and perhaps even signal dyslexia, and your writing 'satan' instead of 'Satan' similarly shows a lack of knowledge of proper nouns. Anyway, my point is that � in Hong Kong, when you will more often than not be co-teaching with a local � such word salads will be frowned upon and may well be reported to the relevant authorities (such as, perhaps, the principal and/or the school directors).
By the way, where I come from, stemming from a trailer park is not something that all too many people would openly boast about on a public forum.
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texasisthereason
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| it is as they have begun to have a shortfall of teachers after their recruitment drives in their preferred countries, such as England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and also the far-flung fringes of the 'English-speaking' world, such as Scotland and India. |
Please provide a link or documentation----- you honestly believe that teachers from India hold a higher rank than those from the US?? You really are a curmudgeon aren't you.
The NET provides interviews in Vancouver--which is a stones throw from the west coast--by your logic--if interviews were held in San Fran then it would be a reflection of how shoddy Canadian teachers are.
Keep it coming bogey-----you are a barrel full. |
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texasisthereason
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bogey wrote - "More to the point, why not ask why the EDB why they do not recruit in the US for the NET schemes, but only in Canada (not exactly a million miles away from the US)?"
wrong again bogey - "Successful candidates must be interviewed in person in San Francisco or New York City, USA."
Use this thing called the internet--it's CHOCK full of information and can be utilized to debunk myths and fables.
What do you have next? |
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texasisthereason
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| bogey wrote "By the way, where I come from, stemming from a trailer park is not something that all too many people would openly boost about on a public forum." |
Did you mean "boost" or "boast" mate---just clarifying--- because you gave me a proper lashing over some of my grammatical errors on a separate post. Just wanted to be clear. You obviously have high standards; just making sure that you adhere to them as well. |
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oxi
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I'm quite enjoying this.
Dear Bogey - would you say these are somehow typos or just slightly clumsy English:
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| I do not believe there any exams as such |
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| why not ask why the EDB why |
Thanks for any klarifikation |
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foreignDevil
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when my New York friends say.... |
I'm just amazed he has friends. 
And yes, I am 100% certain that he is 11:59, Bertrand, and whatever names he has chosen over the years. |
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Marcoregano
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| Yes Sir I Can Bogey wrote: |
Parents and principals only take Yanks if they have to out of sheer desperation. This is as if a child uses the US English they have learned from a teacher from the US in an exam in HK they will fail. HK is an ex-British colony and British English is standard. In British English US sentences such as 'Did you go to Korea yet?' are downright ungrammatical and will be marked as wrong in both written and spoken examinations. In British English it must either be 'Have you been to Korea yet?' or 'Did you go to Korea?', depending of course on prior real-world knowledge. The same holds for lexical items and pronunciation, particularly vowels. They also don't like the use of 'like' that Americans make. If I recall correctly there is even a morbid joke about it in some textbook. A US guy falls into the river and shouts, "Like, help!".
HK parents are unenlightened snobs and they believe that US English is intrinsically inferior. This dislike for US teachers is reflected in the low percentage of NETs from the US. Perhaps if you has been to MIT or Harvard you may stand a chance but the 'top 25' is bit of a long shot. |
This is complete nonsense. |
And it's still nonsense, I just can't be bothered syphoning out the 'complete' nonsense from the 'lesser' variety, and simply don't have time, so lump it all together.
"Parents and principals only take Yanks if they have to out of sheer desperation."
This is nonsense. Of course there are differences between American and British English - we all know that. But it's not too difficult for a teacher to get his/her head around those differences, so it would require a pretty dumb panel head or school principal to reject a teacher on such simplistic grounds. It may have been the case once, but not any longer.
"Perhaps if you has been to MIT or Harvard you may stand a chance but the 'top 25' is bit of a long shot."
This is also utter nonsense, and typical of your seeming desire to try and make someone feel they have little chance of succeeeding here. |
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kowlooner
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| Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| Boger's already admitted to job-hunting in other posts, so perhaps he's just hoping to whittle down the competition. |
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southerngirl
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 3:38 am Post subject: |
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bogey boy
YOU REALLY NEED TO GET OUT MORE.............
And for your information, I STEM - as you would say - from the same neighborhood where George H W Bush raised his family in Houston before he left the private sector for his career in politics and public service. So, no wheels underneath the house I grew up in.
For someone who so enjoys taking others to task for spelling and grammar, you have certainly been making more than your fair share.
And, you are spending an inordinate amount of time responding to texasisthereason for one who claims "NOT TO CARE" about her situation.
Lastly -as texasisthereason will,no doubt agree- when a caucasian says or writes "has you", they are speaking like "TRAILER TRASH" |
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