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spiral78

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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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From the Prague Post, March or April? 2009:
Since the Czech Republic entered the Schengen zone in January 2008, regulations and laws concerning long-term visas for non-EU citizens have tightened, eliminating the option of crossing the border every three months to renew tourist visas within the Czech Republic, a formerly common practice among local expats.
"Since this March, we've intensified Foreigners' Police controls," said Mark�ta Pokorn�, head of the Immigration Unit of the Interior Ministry.
Now, stays in the Schengen zone are limited to a total of three months within a six-month period for non-EU citizens.
Kristin and the four other teachers may have been denied work permits because they breached Schengen law. Once a non-EU citizen has been on Schengen territory for two or three months, his or her application can be denied if they have overstayed the tourist visa |
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spiral78

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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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If you go there, file for legal papers. Then- no problems. |
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ITTP
Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 343 Location: Prague/Worldwide
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 3:30 am Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
If you go there, file for legal papers. Then- no problems. |
I am aware of the Prague Post and of the article which was linked - also aware that such journalism genre feeds off a juicy sensational story which may or may not be representative of the majority of schools and teachers cases .
If you file for your visa within the 3 months then you won't have any issues.
This is true for the many teachers entering the Czech Republic and teaching.
Once you have filed for your visa papers then your status will be visa pending and you are fine.
If it is left until the last minute or after the 3 month period then yes, the police can make an example of you (as has been the case concerning the details of the article).
Actually, I bumped into one of our grads yesterday who had a similar experience with that same school and he explained that apparently their visa assistance section didn't file their visa papers within the 3 month period and that the school has been a focus for the foreign police simply because they employ so many foreign teachers. He is however fine and teaching again for another school.
However, and I am not encouraging people to teach illegally, if you are never officially within the system then you can become 'lost' and some people still do teach illegally and stay past their 3 month limit - sometimes making trips in and out of the country too to non-schengen states.
BUT I NEVER RECOMMEND TEACHING ILLEGALLY unless it is absolutely essential.
So, the clear message is to always try and stay legal and in the Czech Republic this is always an option as the visa laws have recently been made a lot easier for EU and non-EU citizens.
Getting legal provides you with rights and you can feel proud of yourself walking down the street at night that it is your tax contributions which help light the streets, etc. When you become legal then you are contributing to the society which you live and breath in.
Neville
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spiral78

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Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 7:12 am Post subject: |
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However, and I am not encouraging people to teach illegally, if you are never officially within the system then you can become 'lost' and some people still do teach illegally and stay past their 3 month limit - sometimes making trips in and out of the country too to non-schengen states.
Border runs no longer work to keep one legal in any of the Schengen zone countries. You have to STAY OUT OF THE ZONE FOR 90 DAYS. Don't imply that a stamp can re-charge the 90 days as it used to - it doesn't, as of January 2009.
BUT I NEVER RECOMMEND TEACHING ILLEGALLY unless it is absolutely essential.
In what way could teaching illegally be 'absolutely essential?' If you can't get legal papers, obviously you should go somewhere else, I think. |
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ITTP
Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 343 Location: Prague/Worldwide
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 7:29 am Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
Border runs no longer work to keep one legal in any of the Schengen zone countries. You have to STAY OUT OF THE ZONE FOR 90 DAYS. Don't imply that a stamp can re-charge the 90 days as it used to - it doesn't, as of January 2009. |
I wasn't implying that.
Yes, technically you MUST either choose to stay for 3 months and then leave, or apply for your visa within the 3 months and then stay legally.
We have had USA clients who have traveled to and from the Czech Republic and non-schengen countries past the 3 month period and not a blink of an eye from passport control.
I am NOT encouraging people to do this.
Simply reporting on what some of our clients have experienced.
spiral78 wrote: |
In what way could teaching illegally be 'absolutely essential?' If you can't get legal papers, obviously you should go somewhere else, I think. |
If you plan to work just for a few months then it sometimes is easier for the school to arrange cash-in-hand.
I don't agree with this BUT it happens.
Anyone else got any feedback?
Have a lovely weekend y'all
Neville
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Mike_2007
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 7:42 am Post subject: |
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In what way could teaching illegally be 'absolutely essential?' If you can't get legal papers, obviously you should go somewhere else, I think. |
My permit ran out in October 2006, Romania joined the EU on 1st Jan 2007 (meaning I no longer needed a permit). Technically speaking I should have reapplied for a new permit to cover the 2.5 months between the two dates but the papers probably wouldn't have come through before the 1st of Jan anyway.
In the end I just popped across the border to Hungary for lunch and came back in on a 3-month tourist visa. Not quite 'absolutely essential' but understandable at least. |
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spiral78

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Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 8:03 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I'll concede that to bridge a long-term legal situation, it may sometimes be convenient to work illegally short term in a few situations. I'm aware that the laws vary and change and are enforced patchily as well.
The situation is different for people contemplating teaching in countries where they will not be able to get legal work permits.
I think there's a real distinction between the situation that Mike_2007 describes and, for example, a US citizen contemplating staying illegally in France or Spain or Italy for a year. |
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Mike_2007
Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 349 Location: Bucharest, Romania
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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I'm always surprised that more people don't set up their own company. I can only speak for Romania of course, but it's reasonably simple to do here (especially if you pay a specialist company to do it for you). Takes a couple of week and costs a few hundred euro. Then you are entitled to reside here and you can work for anyone you like and invoice them if required. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Is it really htat cheap and easy to set up a company in Romania? Wuldn't you then have to hire a certain percent of ROmanians, pay yourself a fixed salary?
And who actually sponsors you for your visa, do you sponsor yourself since you are your own boss?
I imagine that if you do it yourself it'd be pretty cheap , but don't companies that specialise in that charge an arm and a leg? |
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Mike_2007
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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There are various different kinds of companies with varying rules. A friend of mine who also teaches has set up a 'micro-company'. This means he pays less tax, but he does have to employ one Romania (he has his wife on the books at minimum wage - he doesn't pay her as she has a job already but just pays her taxes and contributions). He doesn't have a salary but he is allowed to pay himself dividends on a regular basis.
Loads of people also set up companies to allow them to buy land here as under Romanian legislation, only Romanians (and technically EU citizens resident in Romania) can buy land. The cost to set up such a company is, I think, about 2-400 Euro. A company will charge you about 800 Euro all in (some charge more, but there are a few good firms around offering the better-value service). It's probably worth paying the extra because it does involve a lot of taking documents to be stamped, standing in queues, paying various fees and the usual red tape. You can do it yourself, but if you don't know Romanian and can't be bothered with it, it's well worth getting a pro onto it. |
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naturegirl321

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Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Hm, sounds like a great loophole, if we could just sell our house and jeep, we'd have enough cash to do it.
If we did, then we'd pay someone. I've done the running around enough in Peru to last me a lifetime.  |
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