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linzbc



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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:30 am    Post subject: chinese classes... time and monetary constraints Reply with quote

I have a potential job lead right now. It's for a small school teaching 8 and 9 year olds, they said full time is probably 18-22 hours per week. We haven't discussed salary yet, but a friend said that they will probably pay me 650 nt/hr.

1) if I want to study chinese on the side, do you think I'd have enough time to do this? Even though it's 22 teaching hours, I really don't see how that will turn into 40 working hours per week, I feel like I would have plenty of time to learn Chinese... but I have no idea.

2) I'm in Taipei, and the only school I know of is Taiwan normal university Mandarin training center. Are there better schools? The summer session is 10 class hours a week.

3) Is there a more informal way of learning chinese than mandarin training center? I really need to learn some basic things so I have an idea of how to survive here, but I don't want to stress myself out at first with too much school and a full time job. Has anyone had success with language exchange?

4) Do you think 650 NT is a good salary for someone with teaching experience (but not ESL teaching) in Taipei? Do you think I can survive here if I only work part time? I've heard 650 is a normal rate in Taiwan, but Taipei is much more expensive than the rest of Taiwan.
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Mr. White



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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: chinese classes... time and monetary constraints Reply with quote

I have a potential job lead right now. It's for a small school teaching 8 and 9 year olds, they said full time is probably 18-22 hours per week. We haven't discussed salary yet, but a friend said that they will probably pay me 650 nt/hr.

Better find out the pay and hours as otherwise you are pissing in the wind.

1) if I want to study chinese on the side, do you think I'd have enough time to do this? Even though it's 22 teaching hours, I really don't see how that will turn into 40 working hours per week, I feel like I would have plenty of time to learn Chinese... but I have no idea.

It depends what time of day you are teaching and whether you can get to Chinese class when they are being run.


2) I'm in Taipei, and the only school I know of is Taiwan normal university Mandarin training center. Are there better schools? The summer session is 10 class hours a week.

There are lots of places to study. What are you looking for?


3) Is there a more informal way of learning chinese than mandarin training center? I really need to learn some basic things so I have an idea of how to survive here, but I don't want to stress myself out at first with too much school and a full time job. Has anyone had success with language exchange?

Formal classes keep you on the right track.


4) Do you think 650 NT is a good salary for someone with teaching experience (but not ESL teaching) in Taipei? Do you think I can survive here if I only work part time? I've heard 650 is a normal rate in Taiwan, but Taipei is much more expensive than the rest of Taiwan.

That is a good hourly rate (assuming your boss is not crazy and you don't get shafted every which way). Finding a stable boss is FAR more important than finding a higher hourly rate.
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linzbc



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 9:53 am    Post subject: Re: chinese classes... time and monetary constraints Reply with quote

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Better find out the pay and hours as otherwise you are pissing in the wind.



Why are people on this board so rude sometimes?! For real, I've wanted to ask this question for a while... I really appreciate the advice but I'd like to make a request to *many* of the people who post on this board: Please, think about how your message will be received on the other end before you post. It seems like 50% of the answers I get to the questions I ask are shockingly frank/rude.

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1) if I want to study chinese on the side, do you think I'd have enough time to do this? Even though it's 22 teaching hours, I really don't see how that will turn into 40 working hours per week, I feel like I would have plenty of time to learn Chinese... but I have no idea.

It depends what time of day you are teaching and whether you can get to Chinese class when they are being run.



I should clarify: if I'm teaching 22 hours/week how many hours can I expect to be working when factoring in lesson planning and all other teacherly duties? Keep in mind, I am a new teacher.....? Should I expect to be working around 40 hours at first?

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2) I'm in Taipei, and the only school I know of is Taiwan normal university Mandarin training center. Are there better schools? The summer session is 15 class hours a week.

There are lots of places to study. What are you looking for?


are there classes that are less than 15 hours per week? Because that 15 hours is not factoring in homework time).


Mr. White wrote:

That is a good hourly rate (assuming your boss is not crazy and you don't get shafted every which way). Finding a stable boss is FAR more important than finding a higher hourly rate.


Thanks for the advice... That's actually quite helpful. I'm pretty confident in this boss because I have two friends of a friend who used to work there, they say she's great.
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Mr. White



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 12:00 pm    Post subject: Re: chinese classes... time and monetary constraints Reply with quote

linzbc wrote:
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Better find out the pay and hours as otherwise you are pissing in the wind.



Why are people on this board so rude sometimes?! For real, I've wanted to ask this question for a while... I really appreciate the advice but I'd like to make a request to *many* of the people who post on this board: Please, think about how your message will be received on the other end before you post. It seems like 50% of the answers I get to the questions I ask are shockingly frank/rude.

Grow up. I am not writing to appeal to you. I am answering your question. I really couldn't care less what you think of my tone. Have you ever thought of thanking people for the time they give up for YOU? I noted you are pretty poor at doing that.

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1) if I want to study chinese on the side, do you think I'd have enough time to do this? Even though it's 22 teaching hours, I really don't see how that will turn into 40 working hours per week, I feel like I would have plenty of time to learn Chinese... but I have no idea.

It depends what time of day you are teaching and whether you can get to Chinese class when they are being run.



I should clarify: if I'm teaching 22 hours/week how many hours can I expect to be working when factoring in lesson planning and all other teacherly duties? Keep in mind, I am a new teacher.....? Should I expect to be working around 40 hours at first?

What time of the DAY or EVENING are you teaching? Add 25% for planning (if you want to do a semi decent job). Add 50% if you want to get lots out or your students.

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2) I'm in Taipei, and the only school I know of is Taiwan normal university Mandarin training center. Are there better schools? The summer session is 15 class hours a week.

There are lots of places to study. What are you looking for?


are there classes that are less than 15 hours per week? Because that 15 hours is not factoring in homework time).

Most chinese classes are 2 hours a day (plus homework which could be equal time)


Mr. White wrote:

That is a good hourly rate (assuming your boss is not crazy and you don't get shafted every which way). Finding a stable boss is FAR more important than finding a higher hourly rate.


Thanks for the advice... That's actually quite helpful. I'm pretty confident in this boss because I have two friends of a friend who used to work there, they say she's great.


I am happy to hear that. Just because you are thankful for this piece advice doesn't mean the rest is wrong. BTW, your 'feed me information cos I am too lazy to search' posting style irritates me. Have some manners yourself. If you have friends of friends just ask them. Save us all the bother.
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englishmaster



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could look at the ads in the expat magazines for Mandarin tutoring. That way would be more flexible. If you want or need the structure of formal uni classes, then go for it, but I think one-on-one lessons with a private tutor (a professional one, of course) might be best if you are teaching so many hours.

When I lived in Taiwan, I saw a professional tutor only two hours a week (not counting homework time, of course) and learned quite a bit from her.

Good luck.
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Ki



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may be in the minority but I would prefer the frank advice over any subtlety. Wages offered vary greatly. But feel free to accept the 350 an hour job over the 650 one.
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Wide eyed wanderer



Joined: 19 May 2009
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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is coming from a newbie that hasn't gone overseas yet.

From what I understand NT is the same as TWD- New Taiwan Dollar. And from my research the average pay scale it between 50,000-70,000 TWD/month. So you may want to double check on that or tell them to give you the pay rate in TWD. Also I was talking to several people teaching overseas and they said to never accept a job that expects you to work more then 20-25 hours per week because you actually spend all most just as much as the class or more preparing lesson plans, at least at first. Once you get used to teaching or have learned some tricks of the trade you don't spend nearly as much time on lesson plans as you used to. So you may want to hold off on language classes till you are settled in your job and can get all your work done.
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