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natsume
Joined: 24 Apr 2006
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Location: Chongqing, China
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I had to leave JET at 41(due to the 3 yr. limit) and I was a THE "old man" in my prefecture!
At least JET is honest enough to state its desired age limit. How many eikaiwa/dispatch co. jobs(assuming one is masochistic enough to take one)feature a 40+ FT? Precious few, that's how many.... |
But you didn't have to leave JET because of your age, which I think is more pertinant. I was hired by JET at 38, and I am coming up on my two year mark. I know for a fact that I don't have the kind of social life I would have had I come in my early to mid-20s, which is the age range of the majority of JETs, but I do know that as far as my workplace is concerned, I think my (relative) maturity is greatly valued. I have been told as much by several teachers.
I am definitely somewhat ambivalent about being an ALT at my age, but I also recognize that the placement I recieved and I are a very good match. I love my school, really enjoy the majority of the kids, tolerate the very strange way they prioritize the teaching of English in this country, and have excellent, collaborative working relationships with almost all of the JTEs I have worked with, and no "bad" situations (yet). Three of the JTEs I have worked with have MATESLs from western universities, and from what I can tell, for Japan, this school has a bit more of a forward looking English department than most, and I recognize I am lucky there as well. Like Mosley, I can see sticking around until I, too, am 41, another two years. (We can go to 5, now, on JET, although for 4th and 5th year renewals, they do take a closer look at your history and evaluations. I am not too worried about that, in my case.)
Anyway, just the story of a happy, older ALT. Mosley, I take it you were one as well. It can happen. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| And you are not going to see that happen so much here in Japan nowadays. A decade ago, maybe, but times have changed. There's advice for people! |
A friend of mine was hired yesterday at a school in Japan site unseen. The applicant was in the States, and obviously was not able to attend a physical interview. This same scenario happens every day countless times. |
I would prefer to have someone actually count them, though, otherwise it's just speculation. I've been here 10 years+ and have been watching the market every day. How about you?
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| When was the last time that you were in the job market actively looking for a position? |
Yesterday, like anyone who knows that the day you get a new job is the day you start looking for the next one.
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| "Times" have not changed. It would be safe to say that more than 50% of applicants hired in Japan, are done so while they were abroad and thereby unable to attend a physical interview. |
I think others would not consider it "safe" to say such a thing. Do many people get hired sight unseen? Yes. How many compared to the others? Far fewer.
JET hires 5000-6000 annually.
The big 3-4 eikaiwa hire thousands from overseas, too.
Are you saying that these places (which probably cover the majority of hires in Japan) hire sight unseeen?
Times have indeed changed. Immigration laws changed and are in the process of changing further. One example is that you no longer have to leave the country to finalize visa processing, although many people still write to ask about this because their information is more than 3 years old (and may not know it).
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Re: thousands and thousands are hired each year - without a physical interview (sight unseen).
me: Where? Show us the data or you have another hole blasted.
hagakuri: Show me the data where it is not the case?
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Oh, please! You first. And, make it specific to Japan, ok, as this is the Japan forum.
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| Venture over to the China board, and I could apply to a hundred different positions on that board and be offered endless jobs, and then have an additional dozen recruiters contacting me to work there. So goes the case for countless other countries. |
See above. This is the Japan forum, and my comments pertain only to Japan, ok? How about yours? Let's keep the comparison to apples and apples.
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| I have been on this forum nearly as long as you, but you feel you have to preach to me to get used to people criticizing. Just ROFL. I would suggest to you not to get so high-horsed here. But I can see with your post count nearing 8k, that your horse is a pretty big one. |
Let's just go back to the original remark that seemed to start this conflagration:
You wrote: I just love people that come along and just blast holes in someone�s advice, but cannot provide any type of advice of their own.
I am not "preaching", nor am I high-horsed. Your perception, I guess. You seem to invite advice, but when I give it, you blast it yourself. Pot, meet kettle.
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| Someone tells someone to skirt an age issue with a country that is thoroughly age prejudicial as a simple recommendation |
"Skirt"? Or lie? Whatever your semantic evaluation, the fact is, you can't take constructive criticism, I think. Your advice was laced with holes. Accept it.
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| Congrats by the way for thoroughly derailing this thread into a pick-apart session. |
And, you felt like keeping it going instead of writing to me privately...? Uh, ok. And, just why attack only me when others pointed out your fallacies as well?
By the way, has anyone else noticed that I was the first person to respond to Seibu (the OP), asked relevant questions, and have not even seen Seibu come back since the OP on May 3rd!!?? Besides, his definition of "older" was a 8-year experienced person, not a chronologically old person.
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hagakuri
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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Location: Nishi-Shinjuku JAPAN
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 11:29 am Post subject: |
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Evidently, you can't get off your horse and persist to continue. Let me guess, you're the type that must get the last word in?
You seem to have made it your past-time in picking apart, calling for facts, and a hole host of other shit when someone generalizes - but when you provide your generalized "advice" you rarely back up any of your rantings, figures, opinions with any facts. Why is that? It's a shame that you and your advice are so myopic.
Go ahead; we all know that you are reaching for the [quote] button to retort God knows what. But be my guest, you�ve proven here time and time again that you certainly haven�t learn much in the way of humility while being in Japan, to have the last word here and ride your horse into another 8k posts.
Grats again on making this thread useless with your holier-than-thou mentality. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
Joined: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 3500
Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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tick...tick...tick... an' it grieves me so that I decided months ago to stop "matching wits" with the denizens of this "board". Enjoy each other...I do! 
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LOSnewbie
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| If age is such an issue, where do ALT's & Eikaiwa teachers move onto? at what age are they likely to start hitting a ceiling with regards to finding work? |
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