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englishgibson
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| if look at a job as an adventure.. one damn fine choice... |
as oppose to back packers, we're "adventurers" in china? that's a great new title and a role to the fine posts we fill in. 
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| if looking at a job as an investment |
an investment needed to fill in the position advertised by the employer, not to begin a business or to buy shares 
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What scares me is the whole letter of release/recommendation issue. Your employer basically owns you.
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You may find this is the case in any work situation where a visa is required... |
yes, ch-employers have that tendancy to want to own us and so their contractual agreements are "so well written" too. they're full of what the party B's responsibilities/obligations are, but with little or nothing about party A's responsibilities/obligations as of late in many shools/centers around. then, the current system "facilitates" the party A's or shall i say the employer's intentions, doesn't it? however, there're the central gov labor laws that are overridden at times by those local authorities too. isn't that the truth?
so, what does that mean in the reply to the concerned? is that so common everywhere in the world that employers own their foreing expert employees?
cheers and beers to "adventurer" fts in china  |
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evaforsure
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if look at a job as an adventure.. one damn fine choice...
as oppose to back packers, we're "adventurers" in china? that's a great new title and a role to the fine posts we fill in.
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if looking at a job as an investment
an investment needed to fill in the position advertised by the employer, not to begin a business or to buy shares
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Quote: someone wrote:
What scares me is the whole letter of release/recommendation issue. Your employer basically owns you.
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You may find this is the case in any work situation where a visa is required... |
Well, I would have considered early FTs pioneers of sorts.. but having an adventure is not being an "adventurers" in as such as the job and coping with life in the big slanty is the adventure and the participant is not seeking a journey but a work experience ..and any time you work on a visa in any country ..it is tied to your employer ...as to starting a bizness...working for a company in a foreign country is like buying shares in that country as the legal tender is not tied to weath but rather to the country's exchange value ..and while working for a foreign employer.. the money you make can go up or down in value compared to you native currency... |
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Teatime of Soul
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Evaforsure:
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| coping with life in the big slanty... |
Interesting phraseology. |
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evaforsure
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| Thank You , My friends in New Orleans love it... |
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menso35
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I think it's rather sad how many "teachers" are loathe to talk about money. "Oh, money is something that is only of concern to the unwashed masses. We adventurous, altruistic western EFL teachers answer to a higher calling. Money is just an afterthought". Meanwhile, your gracious Chinese employers are trying to squeeze every yuan out of you and screw you nine ways to Sunday. That doesn't matter though, because you are there for the experience and to help people  |
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JZer
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| ^^I think you missed my point. It's not so much about the money but the expectations of some employers. I just think it's a bit ridiculous to have to pay three to four months salary up front to be able to work somewhere. On top of that you will have to work for a month before being paid. That is just too big of a leap of faith if you ask me. |
If that is the case what are you doing on this discussion board. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Meanwhile, your gracious Chinese employers are trying to squeeze every yuan out of you and screw you nine ways to Sunday. That doesn't matter though, because you are there for the experience and to help people |
Yes, I would not talk about money. Even a poor English teacher in Chinese is better off than many Chinese and others around the world. I have traveled to 30 countries, have a fat belly, and an American University degree. I am guessing that 50 percent of the people in the world would be happy to be in my position. |
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Andrew Sylvia
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 12:29 am Post subject: Re: Paying for the privilege to work in China |
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Before taxes and monthly expenses, it would take me at least 2 months to recoup my out of pocket start up costs, probably more like 3 months (visa expenses, flights, necessities for the apartment, first and last months rent, deposit, leasing agent commission, and supplemental health insurance).
To further make it not worth it, I would be taking a job sight unseen. Although I realize the sterling reputation of employers there, there still exists a tiny, although highly unlikely, possibility of getting screwed over Apparently if you have a RP you have to get a letter of release to change jobs, just like Korea. So if your employer is a crook you basically have to beg or bribe them so that you can find another job.
This situation has bad news and heartache written all over it. If you guys think there is going to be this massive influx of westerners coming to teach, think again. I don't know anyone who could afford to. |
I was told during TEFL classes that any employer that asks you for money is a scam.
Am I wrong? |
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Mosley
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| Andrew, in a word: NO. |
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