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suanlatudousi
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
Hello, American man. How are you? A few questions if I may:
1. What prompted you to bring up this old post?
2. Are you recieving anything for making this post?
3. Were you asked to write this? |
What business is it of yours ?
You don't seem to doubt dissenting views, but someone who writes a positive review must be in someone's pocket ?
Completely inappropriate posting. |
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Sugar Magnolia
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Sultan,
Who are you to say what another writes is inappropriate? |
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suanlatudousi
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| Sugar Magnolia wrote: |
Sultan,
Who are you to say what another writes is inappropriate? |
Maybe the characters on your browser are garbled, but you seem to have gotten my name confused with someone else.
I am a board member and have writing privileges - that's who I am to say that it is inappropriate. I don't see the individual attacking board members who post "School Warning" messages. I'd venture a guess that half of such messages are nothing more than disgruntled ex-employees of said employer that got fired, refused a contract renewal, etc. Yet, everyone buys such warnings without question. It sounds to me that "Whiner" there has some paranoia and conspiracy theory issues. |
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evaforsure
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:42 am Post subject: |
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look down
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evaforsure
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:45 am Post subject: |
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The Great Wall of Whiner wrote:
Hello, American man. How are you? A few questions if I may:
1. What prompted you to bring up this old post?
2. Are you recieving anything for making this post?
3. Were you asked to write this? |
as a board member doesnt the whiner have the same whining privileges as you do....
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Yet, everyone buys such warnings without question. It sounds to me that "Whiner" there has some paranoia and conspiracy theory issues. |
I think he is just asking what everyone is thinking.. Except you of course...but is justified to ask why after so long .. a poster has searched and found a post that is for lack of a better word. .dead....but the end results of a poster defending a school that was featured in a past post will only bring back to the surface the problems that were noted in the first place..(This is the typical type of mistake a Chinese FAO will make) and by attacking yet another poster .. you add a legitimacy to his post that any diabolical poster who reads your attack against the whiner, may find paranoia and conspiracy theory issues supported by your attack.....I sure the school would thank you if they were aware of this action.. hey maybe they are...just because the whiner is paranoid, doenst mean you could't learn a thing or two from him.. or that he isnt being prudent in asking...or that that one of these days when the whiner looks in his rear view.. he will see suan following and constantly correcting his post.... |
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suanlatudousi
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:55 am Post subject: |
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I hardly consider December 2008 to be a remote post.
The ONLY thing that I admittedly find questionable is that the user joined the forum yesterday and this is his first and only message. That hints more at subterfuge than anything else whatsoever. |
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jimsh
Joined: 20 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
Hello, American man. How are you? A few questions if I may:
1. What prompted you to bring up this old post?
2. Are you recieving anything for making this post?
3. Were you asked to write this? |
| suanlatudousi wrote: |
| The ONLY thing that I admittedly find questionable is that the user joined the forum yesterday and this is his first and only message. That hints more at subterfuge than anything else whatsoever. |
Hello. Allow me to respond to the questions/discussion:
A friend of mine in Shenzhen who is considering a teaching job at my old school brought this thread to my attention last week. I had not seen the thread previously, therefore I only just replied. I noticed the note in the thread by the teacher who decided to reject an offer to teach at Shenzhen Oriental English College after reading the original post. Seeing that the thread had potential in influencing others in their decisions on whether or not to work at the school (when one googles "Shenzhen Oriental English College", this thread comes up on the first page), I felt it worthwhile to add my perspective in addition to what was already posted here. I thought the original post did not accurately portray the situation at the school, so I felt inclined to post as I did. Nobody put me up to writing this--I am not receiving anything for it, and as far as I know, nobody at my former school even knows this thread exists.
Let me be clear in saying that Shenzhen Oriental English College is not a great school--it is mediocre at best, and foreign teachers frequently came and went (and ran away, from time to time) throughout my time there. The remoteness of the school turns off most foreign teachers. But the administration always treated me well, and I did not have the complaints which arose in the original post.
It is true that this was my first post in these forums--I joined last week for the sole purpose of responding to this thread. But I really am a real live American laowai who has been teaching in China for over 6 years and who worked at Shenzhen Oriental English College for 2 1/2 years. You can go to see my personal webpage at http://thejimshelley.worldzonepro.com with photos of me at the school if that helps verify my claim.
That's all. Have a good day. |
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curvilinear
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| I really enjoyed your journal. Thankyou for representing the West in such an inspiring way. New teachers should view it to see what quality of life is possible here. |
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kev7161
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Without trying to derail this thread too much: I think that almost each and every school in China (or, heck, anywhere!) is going to appeal or not appeal to each and every FT at a different level. Each individual has their own set of needs they want met when accepting a job. Sure, it's easy to come on here and bash a school when things don't work out for you (WHATEVER the reasons may be - - do you think we are ever going to get a totally neutral, unbiased report from a teacher who has left a school grumbling and unhappy -- really?)
The reality I've seen in the years I've been here are:
a) there truly are some horrid schools out there, but there are some decent ones as well
b) there truly are some horrid FTs out there, but there are some decent ones as well
c) match a horrid school with a somewhat decent FT and you'll get a bad review of the school 3-4 months down the line
d) match a somewhat decent school with a horrid teacher and you'll get a bad review of the school 3-4 months down the line
e) match a somewhat decent school with a somewhat decent FT and you'll rarely hear about the school here at Dave's or anywhere else
I think we all should take these reviews of schools with a large grain of salt. We can decide NOT to work at a school based on reviews but, unless we actually go and experience the school in question first-hand, all we're doing is taking the word of someone we've never even met in the first place! Why get so worked up and accusatory over reviews unless you can agree (or disagree) because you've also worked there yourself? |
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jimsh
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| Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 7:03 am Post subject: |
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curvilinear:
Thank you for your flattering compliment.
suanlatudousi:
Thank you for sticking up for my original post, and for your delicious, sour yet spicy potato flavor.
kev7161:
I would pretty much agree with all you've said--no two teachers are going to have the same expectations or experience. My purpose in posting here was not necessarily to discredit the original post, but more so to add the perspective of another person who has worked at the school. Thank you for your insight. |
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alter ego
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| I would imagine some things have changed since I left (I know a new principal has since been appointed), but I wouldn't think the situation would have deteriorated that drastically. |
Quite often, all it takes to destroy the credibility and integrity of a school's good name is the appointment of a new morally corrupt man or woman in charge. The OP's message is not about the drastic deteriorazation of this school, but rather about the school's allegedly dishonest and double-dealing principal, who sounds every bit like a typical two-faced Chinese boss who thinks he can cheat and decive anyone he pleases, including foreigners. The fact that you posted here in favor of a school that may or may not be fraudulently misleading foreign teachers is not only suspect of your true intentions but also shows a puzzling lack of loyalty on your part, especially since you no longer even work there.
I, for one, will take the side of any teachers who feel they must resort to fisticuffs to get their wages, or any other teachers who share stories of physical violence here, regardless of fault or blame. While I understand your reasons for posting, the point is you don't know the new principal, which to me is the most important point of all. |
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alter ego
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 1:11 am Post subject: |
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| suanlatudousi wrote: |
| I am a board member and have writing privileges - that's who I am to say that it is inappropriate. I don't see the individual attacking board members who post "School Warning" messages. I'd venture a guess that half of such messages are nothing more than disgruntled ex-employees of said employer that got fired, refused a contract renewal, etc. Yet, everyone buys such warnings without question. It sounds to me that "Whiner" there has some paranoia and conspiracy theory issues. |
If you take a real close look at this post, and if you sense the obvious fear and frustration involved, the OP's story not only sounds credible, but rings true as a story of unnecessary anguish. Sure, lots of school warnings here are what you described, but this is about a teacher, a foreigner like most of us here, who got into a physical fight with a Chinese principal. Who cares why or whose fault it was?
While there are so many variables, intangibles, and things we can just never know about the truth or accuracy of the OP's story, I'm in his corner because that's the only place to be. Otherwise, what's the point? |
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LW Teacher
Joined: 27 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Yes, why question such an old post?
Obviously, FTs are always truthful in their representation of schools and situations. All statements made by FTs should be taken at face value and believed without question.
School administrators, in all cases, are evil. |
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