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housecattn



Joined: 21 Apr 2009
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Location: Baltimore, Maryland

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:16 pm    Post subject: Another newbie looking for input Reply with quote

Hello all,

I have been lurking here a bit and would like to see if anyone has any useful input for my situation.

I am 56 with a BS in computer science, 25 years experience as a Systems Analyst. The last 15 have been in top 20 US Universities. I am currently an IT manager but I am not satisfied as I do not feel I am making a difference.

i am not particularly interested in making a lot of money, but I do want to see more of the world and experience it while I am still young enough to enjoy it. And do something where I feel like I am making a difference.

While I have no real class room teaching experience I have taught Sunday school to teens, young adults and seniors for much of the past 20 years. Enough to know I like to teach not to claim any practical teaching experience.

I am currently taking the OxfordSeminars class to gain a bit more knowledge. I recognize it is not CELTA but given that I am not in a position to go somewhere for 5 or 6 weeks right now I thought it was better than nothing.

So what is my point? I would like to eventually teach in Russia or the Ukraine, but am also interested in China, Korea and Japan. I expect to be re-orged out of my current position by mid fall and would like some feedback on what next steps would me worth considering.

Thanks for your time.
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Chancellor



Joined: 31 Oct 2005
Posts: 1337
Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Another newbie looking for input Reply with quote

housecattn wrote:
Hello all,

I have been lurking here a bit and would like to see if anyone has any useful input for my situation.

I am 56 with a BS in computer science, 25 years experience as a Systems Analyst. The last 15 have been in top 20 US Universities. I am currently an IT manager but I am not satisfied as I do not feel I am making a difference.

i am not particularly interested in making a lot of money, but I do want to see more of the world and experience it while I am still young enough to enjoy it. And do something where I feel like I am making a difference.

While I have no real class room teaching experience I have taught Sunday school to teens, young adults and seniors for much of the past 20 years. Enough to know I like to teach not to claim any practical teaching experience.

I am currently taking the OxfordSeminars class to gain a bit more knowledge. I recognize it is not CELTA but given that I am not in a position to go somewhere for 5 or 6 weeks right now I thought it was better than nothing.

So what is my point? I would like to eventually teach in Russia or the Ukraine, but am also interested in China, Korea and Japan. I expect to be re-orged out of my current position by mid fall and would like some feedback on what next steps would me worth considering.

Thanks for your time.
Well, given that you've taught Sunday School, try here: http://www.missionfinder.org/tesol.html. If you're not inclined to go that route then keep in mind that finding something with significantly less than the "industry standard" for entry-level TEFL certification (100-120 course hours and at least six hours of supervised teaching practice) isn't going to get you the better jobs.
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spiral78



Joined: 05 Apr 2004
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Location: On a Short Leash

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seconded. Eastern European employers generally have a clue about certification and whether it meets the basic standard.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japan is flooded with teachers right now, and many with experience are being turned away at the employers' doors. Unless you can get more experience and certainly more training, I would suggest looking elsewhere. You might want to look at business English agencies, however, since you seem to have plenty of computer experience. See the sticky FAQs in the Japan forum for links.
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housecattn



Joined: 21 Apr 2009
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Location: Baltimore, Maryland

PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Glenski, spiral78, and Chancellor,

I am looking to Asia as a place where I can, hopefully, get some real experience before trying to settle in the Russia or the Ukraine.

Though now I wonder if I might not be better once my job as been reorged to just take some of my savings and go to St Petersburg or Kiev and take a CELTA class.

It seems that most positions there require real teaching experience as well as a CELTA. I will move this part of my question to the Russia board.

Thanks very much for the useful responses!
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, as the approaches and methods used and expected in Asia are quite different to what's expected in a European context (Russia and Ukraine included) experience in Asia may not count for as much as a CELTA...not that it's not valuable at all, but it's very different.

Here in Western Europe (and at the uni where I worked in Canada) we were a little wary of teachers with ONLY experience in Asia, as some were notably unable to alter teaching styles to fit a western teaching context.
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housecattn



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks spiral78,

That is certainly not one aspect I considered.

I also then have to wonder if volunteering here in the US would be much help since the classes I would teach might have a very different focus.

Thanks again, Mike
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote