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Teacher in Rome
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
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Teaching is only a method, about knowing how to give the information. You have it inside or not. A lot of people I've met out here with advanced educations were proven to be the worst teachers the school had. They just fired one with 2 degrees and a master in english, as he was too bad at teaching, pretentious and was not captivating the students. I remember having many teachers before with a lot of knowledge and they were just bad, they didn't know how to give their knowledge in a good way.
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But to get this information inside, you have to learn. I think you are right in that teaching is often presentation - how you present to people (so that they understand you) is really important. But you need the content as well. For a lot of teachers, knowing the grammar (so that you are prepared for student questions) is something you have to work at. There are rules, counter rules, exceptions to the rules and so on. Not many native English speakers nowadays are taught English grammar at school, so you have to learn it when you become a teacher.
Your other comment is interesting. Did your school really fire teachers because they didn't captivate their students? What sort of school are you working at! |
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Scott in HK
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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It doesn't sound like you are exactly captivating your own class...
Let me refresh all the kids out there (if i am to be called an oldie..then i get to call you kids)...for every bad teacher with credentials out there...i will show you two more without....bad credentialed (a word?) teachers may be boring but they still ususally know their stuff...uncredentialed teachers can be boring and often DON'T know what they are talking about.
For some reason there are a few teachers who believe that you can separate English language learning into separate complete components and just teach their little part of it..."I don't need to know grammar because I teach conversation." They somehow forget that conversation is based in grammar...you can't have a conversation without tripping over little grammar rules...you can't teach speaking without working on listening...since most of us use written materials in our classrooms...we have to do some work on reading...
If you thinking teaching is simply about providing information in a 'good way' then you need to head back to the classroom and learn something about current teaching theories...you seem to be advocating the teacher-centred approach which for the most part has been abandoned.
Finally, most of the teachers I know that don't have the paper but are great teachers...do have one thing...'experience'....and the knowledge there is still a lot they need to learn about teaching. I have been teaching for 10 years...and I am always learning things that I didn't know and using them in my classes....I have spent 10 years learning and re-learning how to captivate and teach my classes... |
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khmerhit
Joined: 31 May 2003
Posts: 1874
Location: Reverse Culture Shock Unit
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Well, I got an interesting perspective on this when I happened to be an alternate juror for a rather fascinating case out my way...(guy took a university classroom hostage, claiming the government had implanted microchips in his *beep*....when guy rushed him to take the rifle, perp shot one of the guy's *beep* off).
Anyway, I was the lone surviving alternate (the other had passed out in the courtroom when the victim was describing being shot in the balls), so I was the first juror released after the charge was read. A couple TV wankers asked to interview me when I left court, and I of course told them to *beep* off.
That pointless tale being told, let me say that interviewing anyone on my jury would have been a waste of time. A colleague who covered courts for years described jurors as "people being too stupid to get out of serving on a jury."
The best was a pizza delivery guy, a kid, who would yell out "It's Miller time!!" whenever the judge would begin giving his instructions to us at the end of court every day. I'm sure whatever this guy said would have been a great addition to any reportage.
I can't recall, in cases I covered, ever getting a single relevant thing out of a j |
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desultude
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
Posts: 614
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| @Kurochan - I have received many PMs over my spelling and grammar mistakes; so you are not the first one. A lot of it is the fact that I'm lazy and expect you guys to figure it out and the rest is that I hate English grammar. It's so bloody complicated, and I feel, in many cases, unnecessary. But, for you sweetpea, I will try my hardest to correct it. TY!! |
You teach English? I'll try not to be too harsh, but if you hate grammar, and don't present yourself professionally, I don't care if you are eighty, you are not asking for respect. Also, you are probably creating problems for the next English teacher who comes along and has to un-teach all of the mistakes you have instilled in the little minds.
You may be smart, and precocious, but you have so much to learn. You won't learn it if you don't try. You are an English teacher- grammar is not only your friend, it is your profession. |
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khmerhit
Joined: 31 May 2003
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Location: Reverse Culture Shock Unit
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| grammar is not only your friend, it is your profession. |
Dude, you should write ad copy. Viz. ---
Grammar: It's more than your friend. It's your bread and butter. |
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Will.
Joined: 02 May 2003
Posts: 783
Location: London Uk
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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for L.A
Hey feller!!! Can the petulance
The first lesson we learn is to make an effort.
Why?
To show you care.
You have amply demonstrated your position.
You want MY respect?????????????????
It'll be a cold day in hell but you will have had time to grow up and read your own posts.
Would you date someone who didn't wash? |
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