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englishgibson
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 Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:49 am Post subject: Work Permit Length and Costs |
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A year ago, I've inquired about a two-year work permit that'd of course be supported by my employment contract. I've been brushed off with a NO.
According to what I have been told, there are less than one year and one year work visas in China. The PSB has offered me a couple of choices with a 400 yuan visa that can be issued for up to 11 months and 3 weeks (and a few days  ), or a full 12 month work visa for 800 yuan.
I would like to think that a work visa has got to be supported by an employment contract and for the exact period of time of the contract, but the reality seems to be different. The few days to cover a full one-year contracual agreement's period of time costs 400 RMB. Intriguing to me that I couldn't get that longer than one year contract according to my employer. So, exactly 365 or 366 days cost 800 yuan.
How many more days can one add to that 366 days with 800 yuan payment?
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evaforsure
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| to cut cost they make it a few days short of a year and can pay less.. a cost cutting measure ... nothing more....as far as I know the RP will be given after you get the FEC..which needs a contract to support the paperwork... |
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englishgibson
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it sure saves 400 yuan and i bet many of us know the RP and FEC process
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| they make it a few days short of a year and can pay less.. a cost cutting measure ... nothing more |
"they" could make our employment contracts "a few days short of a year" too
i am sure it's just "a cost cutting measure" for either the employer or employee whoever pays, but then i hope it's "nothing more"... an employee with a few days short on his visa to collect the last salary, and the end of the one-year contract benefits
now, i strongly encourage all fts to only sign A FEW DAYS SHORT OF ONE-YEAR CONTRACTS, if they plan to stay the whole year..few days shorter will save 400 yuan or/and bring a new meaning to the chinese ONE-YEAR CONTRACT JOB MARKET. it'll also close the doors on any potential troubles fts might face when the end of their contract's approaching. and, it'll surely send a message to all PSBs with one year visa 800 yuan charge.
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JGC458
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:38 am Post subject: |
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englishgibson, I don't understand  (maybe coz I've just spent hours studying and I'm temporarily brain-impaired).
Anyway, the most relevant thing I can think of to say at the moment is that my RPs have always expired some days after my 10 month or 11 month contracts - that cover 1 academic year, but so far never a calendar year.
Not sure what you're getting at... |
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YankeeDoodleDandy
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:50 am Post subject: Work Permits |
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| This Thursday, I'm going to the PSB to obtain a 14 month visa. My visa expires on July 30 and I will get a new visa that will last until September 30,2010. Your right about the 400 RMB/800 RMB prices. I'll answer back, Thursday afternoon |
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evaforsure
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:06 am Post subject: |
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"they" could make our employment contracts "a few days short of a year" too
i am sure it's just "a cost cutting measure" for either the employer or employee whoever pays, but then i hope it's "nothing more"... an employee with a few days short on his visa to collect the last salary, and the end of the one-year contract benefits |
What would a contract being a few days short of a year bring to the table...not sure what u mean...
some places will not give the 400 less than a year for a time limit approaching a year as they feel it is an abuse of the system...but more than likely it will be given to most schools unless the PSB has an ax to grind with a school or the PSB's favor leans towards another school .... |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:58 am Post subject: |
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it's not about how "they feel it is an abuse of the system", but it's about the system!
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| Not sure what you're getting at... |
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| I don't understand |
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common ya! it's a matter of our own security with regards to our contracts and then it's also a matter of principle, isn't it? but yes if you've got 10 or 11 months contracts, you may not know...
GET THE RP FOR THE DURATION OF CONTRACT ONLY!
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| This Thursday, I'm going to the PSB to obtain a 14 month visa. My visa expires on July 30 and I will get a new visa that will last until September 30,2010. Your right about the 400 RMB/800 RMB prices. I'll answer back, Thursday afternoon |
interesting..i really wanna know if you get it. my school's administration girl has just applied for a 400 RMB one and it is for about 11 months and a few days..see if that goes ok..let you know soon too.
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JGC458
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| GET THE RP FOR THE DURATION OF CONTRACT ONLY! |
I hear you ... but I still don't understand
Also, no school has ever asked me to pay for the RP. It's news to me that they cost 400 or 800 yuan.
Why is it bad to get the RP for a few days longer than the contract?
(Actually, I may be confused about this, and my current RP and my next one (currently being processed) will expire on the same day the contract ends. I think it was my first RP that lasted a couple of weeks longer than the contract - till the end of the month). |
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YankeeDoodleDandy
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| I believe if the contract is less than a year, the price you pay is 400 RMB and if it is for a year, it is 800 RMB. I have paid 400 RMB and my school has paid 400 RMB. Next year I want the school to pay for it completely. Consequently, it will be for 11 months, , plus however many days, I can get added on.I can have a few Guinesses with that. |
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Teatime of Soul
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1. Less than a year, sometimes even by only a few days, cost 400 instead of 800 RMB. It saves the school money to do it that way.
2. This does not necessarily shorten the contract. Consider, a school has thirty days to apply for the FRP (actually about three weeks as a practical matter).
If a school processes a teacher's medical and FEC then waits two weeks to submit the FRP paperwork, the teacher's contract can indeed be one year and the FRP slightly less and they both end the same day. There is about three weeks of slack built in.
3. Some PSBs consider this 'gaming the system' and refuse to issue 'slightly less than' one year contracts - after all, the PSB loses potential revenue.
4. So, it depends upon the attitude of the PSB and the skills of the FAO to allow such an opportunity to be exploited.
It isn't designed to exploit the FT, but cost saving loopholes in the system. |
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evaforsure
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 4:46 am Post subject: |
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Could it not be used to exploit the time limit.. by issuing a RP for less than the stated contract...could not the employer simply let the RP time out .. thus allowin themselves to play short of contract completion and giving rise to the ability of the company to avoid dishin out final payments ....is this what your talkin bout EG....
Now the pressure would be on to sign a new contract..just to gain the new RP...just spitballin here ...... |
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Mister Al
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[/quote]Could it not be used to exploit the time limit.. by issuing a RP for less than the stated contract...could not the employer simply let the RP time out .. thus allowin themselves to play short of contract completion and giving rise to the ability of the company to avoid dishin out final payments ....is this what your talkin bout EG....
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Don't thinks he is. The PSB would not issue an RP that didn't cover the length of the contract.
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Mister Al
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[/quote]Could it not be used to exploit the time limit.. by issuing a RP for less than the stated contract...could not the employer simply let the RP time out .. thus allowin themselves to play short of contract completion and giving rise to the ability of the company to avoid dishin out final payments ....is this what your talkin bout EG.... [quote]
Don't thinks he is. The PSB would not issue an RP that didn't cover the length of the contract. |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:09 am Post subject: |
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yes eva that's what i am talking about.
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4. So, it depends upon the attitude of the PSB and the skills of the FAO to allow such an opportunity to be exploited.
It isn't designed to exploit the FT, but cost saving loopholes in the system. |
exactly!
some employers (friends and i've had experience with) offer much less than that 11 and a half month or so. once i got a 10 month RP..was furious after i opened my passport and learnt about it..refusing to sign the following year my employer swiftly changed his mind and so i got a exactly 12 month RP then.
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| Why is it bad to get the RP for a few days longer than the contract? |
it's not bad at all. in fact, it should be in the contract to allow a ft move on/out if he/she doesn't stay on with the same employer.
my former employer (i mentioned above) provided me with an RP that expired at exactly the same day as my contract. and, i was even scheduled for that last day  i ended up paying a fine to the local PSB for my overstay but it was related to some other issues as well.
now, some of us come to china to take up their posts and yes employers-employees have that 3-4 weeks to get all the paperwork done, but then some of us are in china and when we move on and change employers we face more difficuties. it does look like the system's more for the ones that come to china rather than the ones that are in china and want to change employers.
recently, i moved on and changed employers. i am posting on here 'cause i've just been stuck in a face this "fine money saving option" of getting my RP 5 days shorter than my actual contractual agreement. and, as i've said it's not the first time. this time, i didn't refuse this option 'cause the more than attractive really young FAO had my RP application already filled in and almost passed at the PSB counter. yes, i came there as this FAO waiting for me at the counter...should've had a night with her before that day! 
again, we should not allow such situations where our end of contract dates do not at least match our RPs expiry dates and that is my general view. if this becomes a standard of our employers, we'll as i've said before, open the doors for more employers' abuse.
cheers and beers to 11 and a half months contractual agreements for 400 yuan |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:16 am Post subject: |
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eva wrote:
Could it not be used to exploit the time limit.. by issuing a RP for less than the stated contract...could not the employer simply let the RP time out .. thus allowin themselves to play short of contract completion and giving rise to the ability of the company to avoid dishin out final payments ....is this what your talkin bout EG....
mister all replied:
Don't thinks he is. The PSB would not issue an RP that didn't cover the length of the contract. |
my experience tells me that you are wrong. and, i've seen others with their RPs for either more or less than their employment contracts. however, there're all kinda PSBs as i see china has many standards.
it's sad that we're in this country where sometimes it's so hard to know what to expect from either our employers or the system
cheers and beers to all fts in china
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