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From China to Hong Kong ?

 
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whosonfirst



Joined: 27 Apr 2009
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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 5:44 am    Post subject: From China to Hong Kong ? Reply with quote

Hello. I am an American man in my early thirties, and I have been a foreign teacher in China for about three years. I have a B.A. degree, but not in teaching. During that time I have worked in plenty of cities throught the country. I am now at somewhat of a crossroads. I am currently working in one of the top three cities in the country. Yet I am wondering as Jack Nicholson said in the movie with the same title, is this as good as it gets ? Let me start by saying I have learned to enjoy the job of teaching here through my many experiences. But I am now wondering what's next. Yes i do know the saying. wherever you go, there you are. But I also believe that changing the location, can be good as well. I also need to add that I am married to a Chinese woman from the mainland. She has stuck with me through many adventures here. She is in her late twenties, and is currently back at school getting her B.A. Degree. She is a smart cookie, with standard english, and some business experience. We do not have any childern.
So my question to the Dave's ESL masses, is where should i go from here, with my wife ? I enjoy teaching in the university level. And would be open to moving to another part of Asia. The things i would be looking for, are 1) a decent quality of life , 2)decent pay as a foreign teacher. 3) A place where my wife can get a decent job.
I know after reading this most of you will say, why don't you take your wife back to America. But that's just not in the cards right now.
Places I have been thinking about are Hong Kong,( although everyone on the esl board here talks about the differences between there and the mainland). I have also thought about Japan. as my wife is learning japanese for her class.
So i am hoping that people from other parts of Asia can give me some opinions. There may be other countries that I am not thinking about as well. All ideas and suggestions are welcome.
If we make a move, it would be in the Summer of 2010. So need to plan now
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porcupine



Joined: 26 Apr 2009
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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a net in Hong Kong and have worked in China, Taiwan and now Hong Kong. I like it. I think it gives me the best salary and quality of life. It's still too hot and crowded for my tastes, but it is the easiest place to bring my mainland Chinese spouse.

But, I think it is only good if you can get into the net system. It is a frustrating process, but worth it in the end.

good luck!
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RiverMystic



Joined: 13 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

porcupine wrote:
but it is the easiest place to bring my mainland Chinese spouse.


Say what? Unless your spouse quailifies as skilled labour and has a job contract (very difficult to get), she will not get a HK visa (it would then be a working visa, of course). You will be able to get a 3-month family visa with the right connections. Your spouse will have to return to her home province every three months and apply for another visa. She will not be eligible for social services like medical coverage. If she is sick she will pay huge rates for a hospital bed - around $3400 a day last time I checked. If she was from somewhere else, say Nepal, she'd pay a mere 100 bucks.

The other thing is that many mainland Chinese, especially those from outside Guangdong, simply cannot cope with HK. They just freak out. It is a very alien environment for them, at least as alien as moving to another country - different langauge, customs, culture, lifestyle etc.

I give you this warning because a few FTs have moved from the mainland toHK and found the dream falling apart in record time. A lot of FTs also don't appreciate that HK is very different to live and work in than the mainland. I know several NETS who came in from the mainland and quit in short time. PM Eddy Cool in the China forum for the inside info. Wink


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Anjin-san Hashimoto



Joined: 14 May 2008
Posts: 18
Location: Hong Kong

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the OP - I am not sure if you have read through the many threads on the forum similar to yours. If you had you would find out that indeed HK may be a good fit for you and your wife. The working conditions are better and the standard of living in HK is considerably higher than Mainland China. In my opinion there is no comparision.

However, if you have read other threads on the forum you would know that your current qualifications are simply not going to cut it here. Not even close. So if you really want to make the move my suggestion would be to invest some time and money into either a Masters in a relevant field or a PGDE. With this you can live comfortably in HK, without this you will doomed to tutorial centre hell.
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saroq



Joined: 05 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes there are a lot of people who have a TESEL and have taught English in language schools and think they are teachers. Unless you've got the proper qualifications and paper to go with them your experience and unrelated degrees will mean nothing.
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ozman



Joined: 12 Jun 2004
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Location: HONG KONG

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:33 am    Post subject: Re: From China to Hong Kong ? Reply with quote

whosonfirst wrote:
I have a B.A. degree, but not in teaching.


You don't have the qualifications for a university teaching job in Hong Kong.
Is your B.A. degree a major in english?
You would need to consider getting at least a Cert TESOL, as with this, plus your degree, you are eligible to apply for Primary NET position with the NET Scheme.
check qualifications needed at EDB website
http://www.edb.gov.hk/index.aspx?nodeID=262&langno=1

Meanwhile, if you come to Hong Kong with only a B.A. you will be a token foreign face teaching at some awful tutorial centre for a low salary with no housing allowances or benefits.
If you want to teach at university level here you need as a minimum B.A. (honours) English Language / Literature + M.A. in Linguistics or TESOL and preferable a PGCE. Most universities here want PHD level.
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Jordean



Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would be interested in making this move too.

I do have a PhD (History) and a JD. Teaching at a law school in Beijing now, but without much putonghua there are limited options here.

Assuming one is credentialed, how is the hiring scene in HK presently?
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RiverMystic



Joined: 13 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jordean wrote:
I would be interested in making this move too.

I do have a PhD (History) and a JD. Teaching at a law school in Beijing now, but without much putonghua there are limited options here.

Assuming one is credentialed, how is the hiring scene in HK presently?


Unless you have teacher training, you will most likely end up in a cram school teaching kiddies, or maybe adults. University positions in History are rare. I've got a PhD, academic books, 30 publications, 100s of pages of designed curriculum for tertiary institutions (unused), and I can't get a job at a uni here. And I have written and researched in numerous disciplines.
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Marcoregano



Joined: 19 May 2003
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Location: Hong Kong

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But sounds like Jordean might apply for a uni job teaching history or law ... a whole new ballgame, though competitive I imagine.
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Tinseltown Rebellion



Joined: 02 Jun 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jordean wrote:
I would be interested in making this move too. I do have a PhD (History)

RiverMystic wrote:
University positions in History are rare.

Marcoregano wrote:
But sounds like Jordean might apply for a uni job teaching history ... a whole new ballgame, though competitive I imagine.

Hence RM's use of the term 'rare'.
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oxi



Joined: 16 Apr 2007
Posts: 347
Location: elsewhere

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TR-
Quote:
Hence RM's use of the term 'rare'.


Look out folks - it's handbags at dawn. TR's got a brick in his.
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