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Demonicat



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:30 pm    Post subject: Living with Fiance? Reply with quote

Hi all!
I'm considering making the move to Saudi after having worked in China and Korea for about 6 years now. I'm engaged to a lovely American gal, and was wondering if its possible to live with her before the official wedding. If not, which i have a feeling is the case, is it possible to see her regularly (feel free to laugh if this is a ridiculous question)? Finally, lets assume we get a no on both questions, how in depth do they check a marriage certificate. I mean, if we were to go to the Korean city hall, pay our $40 and get a certificate, would that satisfy immigration?
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Living with Fiance? Reply with quote

Demonicat wrote:
Hi all!
I'm considering making the move to Saudi after having worked in China and Korea for about 6 years now. I'm engaged to a lovely American gal, and was wondering if its possible to live with her before the official wedding.

Absolutely not! (I didn't want you to misinterpret, "No") Very Happy

If not, which i have a feeling is the case, is it possible to see her regularly (feel free to laugh if this is a ridiculous question)?

Probably not. It really depends on the employer and the visa you hold. It might be possible to put her into a parking orbit in Bahrain...but, I doubt it.

Finally, lets assume we get a no on both questions, how in depth do they check a marriage certificate. I mean, if we were to go to the Korean city hall, pay our $40 and get a certificate, would that satisfy immigration?

Very. It is a very big issue that you make it absolutely clear that your marriage is proper and documented. I'd check wither with the Saudi Embassy or the Korean-Saudi (or vice-versa) Friendship Society on this one.



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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not only will it not be possible to live with this 'gal', it will not be possible for her to get a visa to enter KSA unless she gets a job there and applies for a visa - independently of you.

if you want her to come to the country as your dependent, she will have to be your legal wife and have the documents necessary to satisfy the Saudi embassy. And yes, they're known to be fussy.
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Demonicat



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to clarify, when I said see her, I meant with her working as well under her own visa. She has a master's, experience, and all that. I mean, if were were both working in say, Jeddah, would I be able to visit her compound, go out on dates, etc?

Thank you for the prompt replies guys!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I mean, if were were both working in say, Jeddah, would I be able to visit her compound, go out on dates, etc?


If one or both of you is living on a compound, there should be no problem spending time together, as the authorities normally turn a blind eye to what goes on behind compound walls.

Going out on 'dates' might be a bit more risky. Strictly speaking, it is illegal for a man and woman who are not related to be in one another's company - and that includes going out to restaurants or even being in a taxi together . It's pretty rare these days for couples to be approached and asked to produce proof of marriage - particularly if both are obviously 'Western". However, it does still happen and though the chances of you being 'apprehended' are small, you do risk imprisonment and possible deportation.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I concur with Cleo. The reason compounds exist is to keep the God Squad and inquiring minds on the other side of the wall. I've heard of them invading buildings. But there'd be a heck of a commotion if they tried to get into a compound. Shocked

One way you could go on dates in public is if you went with a married couple or a group of married couples who could vouch for both of you as "friends". Smile

If your dear intended is a nurse, though...THAT would be problematic... Mad

Also, now that I see your stated location, Seoul would be a long trip, but definitedly one worth taking, but as you're talking about separate sponsorships...a moot point...or as Joey corrected, "a moo point". Laughing Laughing Laughing

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WaegukinYeoJa



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My husband and I did exactly this - we got married at Seoul City Hall. It's a fairly straightforward process, though a bit of paperwork to fill out. The actual "getting married" part involved lots of stamps from various embassies (since we are both of different nationalities, neither of them Korean) and no vows or ceremony. It was perfect.

Costs a bit more than $40 though; all in all we forked out about 300 USD, after all notaries at each embassy and Korean fees, etc.

We have only been asked for our marriage docs once, and that was by our employer after arriving. I always carry an unofficial copy with me, just in case.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:05 pm    Post subject: All Earthlings Must Die. Resistance is Futile!!!! Reply with quote

Maaan Mr Demonicat that avatar is like...... aagh maan it's too much!!!
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, I did the same city hall type o' marriage as WaegukinYeoJa in another nearby Asian country. It's passed muster for lo these many years! Very Happy

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buildbyflying



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

also be aware of what you're bringing her into.

while it's acceptable for women to show their faces... even faces warrant unnecessary attention here. I imagine locals might consider faces to be a tad slutty.

you didn't mention what your/her racial background. couples of different races do warrant extra attention.

there are never guarantees of compounds, only promises. and be aware that the two are very different birds here. If you are not in a compound, her safety is tied to your presence. That is unless she's just another of the old maids here.
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WaegukinYeoJa



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote]also be aware of what you're bringing her into.

while it's acceptable for women to show their faces... even faces warrant unnecessary attention here. I imagine locals might consider faces to be a tad slutty. [/quote]

I have long blonde hair and blue eyes, not to mention blindingly fair skin. Compared to the constant barrage of attention I got in Korea (staring, pointing, whistling, yelling, grabbing, slapping, etc.), almost no one pays me even the slightest notice here. If anyone does think I'm a "tad slutty", they keep it to themselves.

I live in Riyadh, and I do not cover my face or hair. I get almost no attention with or without my husband, who is also white, but could pass for Lebanese or Syrian. Overall a drastic improvement and a much more pleasant place to live (compared to Korea and China) for someone as "white" as I am.

The only unpleasantness is sometimes being asked to pay double, sometimes triple the prices someone from a non-"rich" country would be asked to pay. Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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also be aware of what you're bringing her into.


From the description of her above, I have every reason to believe that this woman is an independent person quite capable of making her own decisions, like most adults. I doubt she is being 'brought into' something.

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I imagine locals might consider faces to be a tad slutty.


Most locals are well aware that foreigners have different standards of 'modesty' than they do. Outside of the very conservative towns such as Buraidah, it is almost never expected that non-Saudi women cover their faces. Even Arab women do not do so. Personally, I prefer to cover my hair (never my face) but as the last poster makes clear, by no means all women feel this to be necessary.

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If you are not in a compound, her safety is tied to your presence.


I'm single and have never lived on a compound, nor have I ever had significant safety issues in my many years living in KSA. In any case, none of what has been written changes the fact that unmarried couples are breaking the law if they live together. This is far more likely to be an issue than being stared at in the street.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WaegukinYeoJa wrote:
The only unpleasantness is sometimes being asked to pay double, sometimes triple the prices someone from a non-"rich" country would be asked to pay. Confused

Well, blue eyes are much expensive in the Magic Kingdom, and are worth double and sometimes triple the value of a brown/black eyes. Next time try to wear brown contact lenses so that you will be asked to pay less! Laughing
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Demonicat



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did not expect this thread to keep going, but awesome- this is all good information. We are both similarly genetics-wise, me being a tall Nordic guy and her being of German descent. We've been looking around a lot, but as she is VERY independent and not the kind to get tied down to always having to be by my side, we are looking more into UAE and Oman now. I imagine we'd get our fair share of stares though as she is 6 feet tall, and I'm a good 6'4- both with very pale skin. In fact, my screen name of "Demonicat" comes from my nickname in Mali (West Africa) where the people saw my red hair, pale skin, and height and assumed me to be a cat demon. True story.
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