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Gusss
Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Posts: 81
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject: Rating system for schools and organisations |
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When we go to work for a school we are expected to provide a lot of information to employers to assure them we are a good teacher, worker etc. and yet more often than not we have very little idea of what we are walking in to. The situation is completely one sided - scjhools dont have to provide references to us for example.
So how about this :
A website that works as a sort of reference for schools. If you've worked somewhere you can leave a comment and a star rating for what it was like to work in that school. It could include all schools in the world by country, county, town etc and at least would give teachers an idea of whether a school is good to work for or not.
One problem might be rival schools posting fake negative feedback I suppose but thats the same on any internet wiki or site.
Daveesl cafe works a little bit like this with posts like "what are such and such a school like" however responses are dependant on someone who has worked for said school or business being present at the time which in the case of smaller schools is unlikelty. I could design such a website - Comments ? Ideas ? Suggestions ? |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Might work. Though it seems like people often give bad reviews more than good ones. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:04 pm Post subject: Re: Rating system for schools and organisations |
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| Gusss wrote: |
| Daveesl cafe works a little bit like this with posts like "what are such and such a school like" however responses are dependant on someone who has worked for said school or business being present at the time which in the case of smaller schools is unlikelty. I could design such a website - Comments ? Ideas ? Suggestions ? |
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How are you going to confirm the schools on your "green list"? I've seen one for Japan, but it is pretty lame, and sometimes the school is there only because the green list maker and the school owner/worker are on good terms. Nice for business for the list maker...  |
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm. I think schools do have to provide references.
Would you work for a school that wouldn't put you in touch with current and previous employees? I wouldn't.
Best,
Justin |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:07 am Post subject: |
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I actually had an interview from Asia. Consisted of this.
Hello, are you Sharon?
Yes I am
Oh, I see. Um, do you like Peru?
No, not really
Oh, ok. When can you come to my school?
Um, can I be put in touch with current teachers?
No, I cannot do that. It's impossible
Oh, ok, thank you. Good bye.
This was all at 3am. I mean, come on. There's a REAONS why I put that I'm GMT -5 and that's because I don't want to be called at 3am. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| Justin Trullinger wrote: |
| Hmmm. I think schools do have to provide references. |
Where do you work that this is required?
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| Would you work for a school that wouldn't put you in touch with current and previous employees? I wouldn't. |
Many do. Desperate people. Uninformed people. Uncaring people. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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Dear naturegirl321,
RUN - run like the wind (but I'm sure you're already running.)
Regards,
John |
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Gusss
Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Posts: 81
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:20 am Post subject: Re: Rating system for schools and organisations |
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[quote="Glenski"]
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How are you going to confirm the schools on your "green list"? I've seen one for Japan, but it is pretty lame, and sometimes the school is there only because the green list maker and the school owner/worker are on good terms. Nice for business for the list maker...  |
I was thinking it could be a bit like like Wikipedia - anyone can add comments though they cant edit other peoples comments like they can in Wikipedia. In terms of a "green list" schools with good working conditions would naturally receive more positive ratings - it wouldnt be the decision of the person running the site but down to votes or digs.
I hadnt thought of accepting bribes though but now you mention it
Seriously - I think the site would soon lose credibility in the esl community if it started putting in good comments for bribing schools - just as the Japanese website you just mentioned has lost credibility - so it would be self defeating.
The utility of the website , and therefore its popularity, would depend on a reasonable level of accuracy .
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:58 am Post subject: Re: Rating system for schools and organisations |
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[quote="Gusss"]
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| Gusss wrote: |
How are you going to confirm the schools on your "green list"? I've seen one for Japan, but it is pretty lame, and sometimes the school is there only because the green list maker and the school owner/worker are on good terms. Nice for business for the list maker...  |
I was thinking it could be a bit like like Wikipedia - anyone can add comments though they cant edit other peoples comments like in Wikipedia. In terms of a "green list" schools with good working conditions would naturally receive more positive ratings - it wouldnt be the decision of the person running the site but down to votes or digs. |
I can see several problems with that sort of system.
1) Only those people vocal enough to vote will have their say. Some people these days are into getting Google points, so they might want to do that just for selfishness.
2) Just because someone posts doesn't mean they are telling the truth.
3) Most of the time, people complain on discussion forums. It's only natural. Whether someone complains or gives a positive experience, though, my chief problem is that they often don't put the statement into perspective. That is, they usually don't give enough background information to allow readers to consider it fully.
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| The utility of the website , and therefore its popularity, would depend on a reasonable level of accuracy . |
Yup, and I don't think you can guarantee that to a high level of satisfaction. Just my opinion. |
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:08 am Post subject: |
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Glenski:
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Justin Trullinger wrote:
Hmmm. I think schools do have to provide references.
Glenski wrote:
Where do you work that this is required?
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Erm, sorry if I was unclear. My sense of humor, or reasonable facsimile, sometimes get the best of me.
I meant that it's required by me. (As well as by most of the more professional teachers I know.) And I mean to recommend it to others.
The OP said that schools don't have to provide references- well, you don't have to work for them if they won't.
Best,
Justin |
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Cool Teacher

Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Here, There and Everywhere! :D
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Like Wikipedia accept you can't edit sfuff...
Okay, so my school is Cool Teacher English and my competition is Bob's English Emporium. I am going to write good stuff about my school and then write all sorts of bad stuff about Bob. He can't edit my stuff I wrote about him on his bit and might not know I have done it and no one else knows it was me who wrote it so who is going to check out how much of this stuff is true and how much of this stuff has been put there by competitiors or disgruntled workers who got the sack for smoking in class? |
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Gusss
Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Posts: 81
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:29 am Post subject: |
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hmm I think you all have good points - and I must admit I have some of the same doubts myself. However I may try it anyway just to see how it turns out , besides it would be an interesting learning experience making the website.
One similar system already in place is the one used to rate hotels - similar problems exist with rivals , disgruntled customers etc etc - yet the system still works reasonably well .
If anyone wants to get involved or has any suggestions for ways of getting around some of the problems mentioned above please let me know . |
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