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Noor
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 Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:25 pm Post subject: Lower salaries for females |
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| Everything else being equal, do ME employers typically offer lower salaries to females? Is marital status part of the equation? Are single females offered even less? |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:49 am Post subject: |
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I'd say no.
Most of the inequalities in pay in the Gulf are related to nationality, skin color, and native language. The higher up the educational ladder, the less even this difference appears. Once you get to university level, only a few of the smaller private universities show pay inequities. In the universities where I taught, you were paid based on your educational credentials and experience. (this is also true of the top of the line international schools)
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jdl
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| Agree based on my experience in Oman. |
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travelwish
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I am considering teaching in the ME, especially the gulf, and I have been wondering about their racial/ethnic perceptions...
veiledsentiments,
Can you be more specific:
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| Most of the inequalities in pay in the Gulf are related to nationality, skin color, and native language |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| travelwish wrote: |
Can you be more specific:
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| Most of the inequalities in pay in the Gulf are related to nationality, skin color, and native language |
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I would think it was obvious. Western passport... pasty white skin (and 007 would add blue eyes  )... native speakers of English are preferred. Any deviation from these can lower your pay with many employers, but not all. As I said, the least inequity is found at university level.
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15yearsinQ8
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i know a great teacher in kuwait
british accent right off the BBC, slender/model figure under a somewhat tight and colorful abaya with head scarf half off her head showing permed hair and the greatest face make up and green contact lenses
and a great teacher
her offer got slashed by HR when she presented her egyptian passport at hiring inprocessing
but she still got more than the caucasian south africans |
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travelwish
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the responses. I of course figured being white would not lower your pay, but I was just looking for a fuller picture. I got it now, can't say I'm surprised. |
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Cleopatra
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| british accent right off the BBC, slender/model figure under a somewhat tight and colorful abaya with head scarf half off her head showing permed hair and the greatest face make up and green contact lenses |
What does having a "slender/model figure" and a wacky dress sense have to do with one's teaching abilities?
Anyway, in response to the OP, gender does not affect pay scales, but nationality often does. Sometimes people are under the impression that women get paid less than men, because, at least in KSA, many women are employed as 'local hires' but are still legally their husband's dependent. This doesn't have much to do with gender, however: Men who work on their wife's igama (and it does happen) would also be treated as local hires and be paid accordingly.
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justcolleen
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| I think it also has to do with the culture itself, specifically the man's "duty" to either make enough money to get married (if he's single) or provide for his household (if he is already married) and, in order to do that, he needs to make more money. |
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Citizenkane
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| I think it also has to do with the culture itself, specifically the man's "duty" to either make enough money to get married (if he's single) or provide for his household (if he is already married) and, in order to do that, he needs to make more money. |
If that's the case, why haven't we heard of more examples of where men get paid more than women? It hasn't been the case anywhere I've worked.
And of course, there is no pay differential between men and women in say, the US or UK (not!) |
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veiledsentiments
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I never encountered pay disparity by sex in either Egypt or the Gulf in TEFL. Nor has it ever shown up on this board as a complaint. I expect that where it might be found as justcolleen mentions is in the national public schools where they hire only locals.
The main difference in salaries would be local hire versus foreign hire. But, even there, the difference was that local hire got the same salary without the benefits because they assume that the spouse is providing the benefit pay package.
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