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samch



Joined: 06 Jul 2009
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Location: Cape Town, South Africa

PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:43 pm    Post subject: international schools Reply with quote

Doe s anyone know of a forum that has information on teaching at international schools?
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this one does. but the forum's pretty quiet these days. its summertime.

have a look on some of the back pages here, you'll find plenty of stuff. i'd suggest the search function but it doesnt seem to work right now. it just returns an empty page to me.
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Renegade_o_Funk



Joined: 06 Jun 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i tried this google search & got some interesting hits http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=china+job+forum++international+schools&aq=f&oq=dave%27s+esl+cafe+international+schools&aqi=&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10&fp=PZmYQ_c0LFc
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cblack76



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you find some good positions, let us know.

Based on your last post, you've got the experience for this position, but lacking an MA might hold you back (unless you've already got one).
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

www.internationalschoolreview.com is a good one. Forum is free, but reading about the schools isn-t.
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samch



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cblack unfortunately have no MA ??
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cblack76



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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cblack unfortunately have no MA ??


I've heard jobs at international schools are very competitive and that they require lots of experience (which you have) and an MA.
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samch



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

really hectic that they require a MA to teach 10 year olds... but each to his own!! Smile
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Molson



Joined: 01 May 2009
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Location: China

PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cblack76 wrote:
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cblack unfortunately have no MA ??


I've heard jobs at international schools are very competitive and that they require lots of experience (which you have) and an MA.


You don't always need an MA for the jobs at International Schools, but I can tell you the better ones are so competitive, if you don't have a master's level degree you need to have something that heavily compensates for that, such as specialist in an area and lots of experience.

I just got hired for an International School in China. The biggest reason that they wanted me was because I am ESL certified in my home country and I have 10yrs experience teaching ESL. The position is not for ESL, it is for English language, but there is a high percentage of students whose first language is not English, so they need ESL sensitive teachers.

Most international schools want a minimum of 2yrs experience in a western school environment. But there are times when you can bypass that if you have something that makes you unique, or if they have a last minute opening they needed filled ASAP.
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waxwing



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why the focus on MAs ?

AFAIK,

BEd, MEd, (PGCE, PGDE / equivalent teacher certification in US etc.), MSc and PhD and others could all be useful depending on the circumstances. Well, OK, PhD not so much but it doesn�t hurt either!
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samch



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks molson for your help - i have as i said got 5 years teaching experience as well as a lot of experience in learning support (remedial) - so i will hold thumbs - wait for september and start applying - and see what comes i guess???
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crunchyone



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I now teach in an international school in China. An MA wouldnt have helped me get a job, but my MPhil in science did, having a BEd helped.

I am now earning more money than I did teaching English in Korea.

The teaching hours are more than I was doing in my last job in China, but less than my first job in Korea.

The students are well motivated, 13 - 16, and fun to work with.

We teach the IB program, which will give them entry to universities around the world.

c
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Molson



Joined: 01 May 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

samch wrote:
thanks molson for your help - i have as i said got 5 years teaching experience as well as a lot of experience in learning support (remedial) - so i will hold thumbs - wait for september and start applying - and see what comes i guess???


Why wait until September? Schools will have all their positions for 2009 filled by then.

This is what I did:

I joined TIE Online which lists jobs: every job that I applied to from this site ignored me, or told me they were looking for someone with better qualifications. (All the Hong Kong schools just ignored me...)

I joined Search Associates: I applied for two jobs through that agency. One in Korea and one in China. The one in Korea ignored me until I pestered them with emails. It was obvious they weren't interested, but hell if I can spend over an hour on a unique cover letter, I expect 5mins of ones time to tell me they aren't interested. The school in China interviewed me and was very interested...I liked what they had to offer so I accepted.

I also joined International School Review - take if for what you will. A ton of people whine and complain about the cost of living in their host country due to only eating American food...if they ate local, they would have no complaints.

Crunchyone Where in China are you? I'll be in Tianjin.
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crunchyone



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Molson wrote:

Crunchyone Where in China are you? I'll be in Tianjin.


I am in the cloudy city, Chengdu. I have started to think that my shadow didnt get a visa to China, as I havent seen it for some time.

c
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inwanzhou



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to be a qualified teacher in your home country or IB qualified to work in the more reputable International schools like British or American schools.

SO a BEd, PCGE, ECE or higher.

To be a school counsellor you have to have bare min MA in Counselling or EdPsych.

To find work in international schools they start their recruitment Dec to Feb. They usually use Search Associates, ISS(International School Search) or TIE. You must pay for these services and you will probably have to attend a Job Fair for an interview--and it's a real interview not some fake "I like your white face I'll hire you to teach" interview. They will make sure you know your stuff so no bullshyting your way through things.

THere are less reputable International schools in each major city who will hire you and pay better than some of the chain schools but they are not always a good situation. Kindergartens--International ones--can pay better
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