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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any good employer in KSA will pick up the tab for your utilities. The phone you will have to pay yourself. The fact that your housing costs are zero means that your real income is quite high. No tax either - and a cheap place to live. Where else can you have shirts laundered for 30 US cents ? (Hail not Dhahranm where it is a scandalous 85 US cents !)
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R-na



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:39 am    Post subject: About Hail university Reply with quote

Thank you, John. I was going to ask about utilities as well.

I would like to ask about the possibility of renting an apartment. What district of Hail would be the most suitable (and preferably the closest to the Engineering department, if anybody knows where it is) for that purpose? Is it possible at all, as in such regions people prefer to rent homes to families rather than singles, especially when these singles are of the male gender. In case it is possible, what is the rent for a one bedroom apartment in Hail?
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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you will find that housing is provided and that there is no option to receive housing allowance in Hail.
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R-na



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:24 am    Post subject: About Hail university Reply with quote

Actually there is. It is either the housing or allowance.
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cassava



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:03 pm    Post subject: Re: About Hail university Reply with quote

R-na wrote:

I would like to ask about the possibility of renting an apartment. What district of Hail would be the most suitable (and preferably the closest to the Engineering department, if anybody knows where it is) for that purpose? Is it possible at all, as in such regions people prefer to rent homes to families rather than singles, especially when these singles are of the male gender. In case it is possible, what is the rent for a one bedroom apartment in Hail?
R-na


Why do you want to rent an apartment when housing for singles is provided by the University? I would advise you to proceed very cautiously on this question, regardless of what the officials at the University might have told you. Unless you have some document, signed by the Rector or Vice-Rector, which states exactly the terms and conditions under which you will be allowed to rent and what the reimbursement will be like, you are well advised to forget the whole notion.

The idea of allowing instructors to rent their own apartments was floated some years ago at the University but the proposed implementation caused so much controversy and dissension that the plan was abandoned. I can assure you that the grounds for dispute were many. In addition, the University is responsible for the security of its faculty and such security cannot be ensured if people are living in accommodations scattered all over town.

I have not been to the Hail region for many years, so I don't know if this whole question is being re-considered. If it is, and you select the apartment option, I'll bet you apples to oranges that you will be furious about how the whole process was implemented, that you will be the loser and that it will be then impossible to negotiate the whole deal.

Finally, the University of Hail is a small institution which has plans to expand. I am almost certain that the Engineering Department is located on the main campus or close to it. You are provided with free transportation to work every day. This is the case with most Colleges/Universities in Saudi. Don't create needless problems for yourself by trying to make unnecessary changes.

I do believe that your time can be more fruitfully spent learning as much as possible about Saudi culture and the curriculum that you will be expected to teach. It is good that you are asking these questions, but I think that you need to slightly re-adjust your focus.
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Marquess



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Besides I never saw a 1 bedroom apartment the whole time I was there.
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Mia Xanthi



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Any good employer in KSA will pick up the tab for your utilities.


At PMU, you must pay your own utilities. 'Nuff said.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 is wrong about utilities. Most employers in Saudi, including the Royal Commission, don't pay them.
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Marquess



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephan is wrong. Most employers of westerners pay untilities.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the IPA (Institute of Public Administration) doesn't pay utilities, and I'd call them a very good (relatively speaking) employer.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without getting into the distinction between 'good' and 'bad' employers, utility bills are not really a big deal in KSA - at least outside the summer months when you'll be running the AC 24 hours a day. As a single person, my bill rarely came to more than about 50SR a month, often less. Peanuts really.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleo
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I left Jubail I had to get clearance stating I'd paid the water bill. The total for seven years came to 40 halalah. Whilst they were preparing the bills they gave us a free coke and refreshments, and when I went to the bank to pay the teller just smiled and stamped it without taking any money.
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Marquess



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You didn't leave Jubail-Jubail left you.
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Mia Xanthi



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My electric bll ran into 600 -700 riyals each month in the summer in the Eastern Province.

If you got behind in paying it , they would turn it off and it would take DAYS to get it restored. PMU even allowed it to be turned off in the summer when no one was in the villa, so people often came back to horrible surprises.

Then, there were the deductions for the phanton "unpaid electric bills" --- I had 700 SAR deducted over a bill I had paid, and another colleague had even more deducted from her salary for a paid bill. The university told us to pay through a representative who just took off with the money, leaving our bills unpaid, and of course the university had to recoup the losses through our salaries, not their own accounts. And there was no way to get the money back once it had been deducted.
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