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AdamtheJohnson
Joined: 10 Nov 2008 Posts: 157
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:01 am Post subject: Dont know where I want to go. Dont know what I want to do. |
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Some people are unlucky in life in that they have very few choices ahead of them. I have the opposite problem.
In searching for answers to the question of adventure after graduation, my list instead has grown even longer.
There are so man countries I want to teach ESL in: China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand.
In addition, I am heavily considering joining the Peace Corps which woul send me to West Africa or Eastern Europe for 28 months.
Not to mention the Graduate Degree I am also considering in France.
And that's all on top of pure travel and vagabonding across the globe.
SOO many things I want to do and with any luck I'll be able to do them all. The question now is which one to pursue FIRST and thats sort of the issue.
I realize asking the posters here may not be the best idea since you cant very well TELL ME what to do with my life. But perhaps there are those that have been in similar situations and can offer advice, or perhaps there are those who simply know of ways someone like me can search their soul and find the right path.
The good news is all of these choices are built on the same core values - that of adventure and exploration. Any would enrich my life in ways I surely can't imagine.
Any advice would be appreciated. |
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80daze
Joined: 15 Oct 2008 Posts: 118 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:43 am Post subject: |
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Out of the choices you listed above I'd go for the Peace Corps and West Africa. I spent a while as A volunteer teacher in East Africa and loved it, the experience is totally different from Asia or Europe. Naturally West Africa will be different from East Africa but it will be a hell of an experience.
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:51 am Post subject: |
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I've got a few questions for you:
1) How long do you plan on teaching? (This can of course change once you start... I initially set out for a year and decided to make a career of it, but it's still good to have an idea.)
2) What are you applying for in the Peace Corps? Teaching, or something else?
3) What graduate degree are you looking into?
If you're planning on teaching in the Peace Corps and also looking into graduate teaching programs, I'd recommend doing the Peace Corps first. I applied to the PC after I'd finished my MA and already had a few years of teaching experience, and I got the impression that the PC would be a better experience BEFORE grad school.
If you're only planning on spending a year or so teaching, you really need to prioritize your countries of choice (hard, I know, and I imagine you're already working on it), because once you get a full-time teaching job you really don't have much time to travel. You can see a lot of the country you're in, but for globe-trotting, you're better off just traveling. As a teacher, it will take you a lot longer to see all of the places on your list.
And on a more practical note, you'll need to keep in mind certain factors like visa requirements, EFL certification (some jobs/countries require it, some don't), whether or not you will need to save any money--e.g., for paying off student loans, etc., etc.
I've taught in Europe, Asia, South America, and now the Middle East, but I've been doing it for 10 years. In some cases I was lured by the culture/countries (Czech Republic, Chile, Peru), and in other cases I was lured by the job/money (Japan/Oman). Practicalities did interfere: I had to leave Peru because I couldn't make my student loan payments there.
Good luck,
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AdamtheJohnson
Joined: 10 Nov 2008 Posts: 157
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:59 am Post subject: |
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denise wrote: |
I've got a few questions for you:
1) How long do you plan on teaching? (This can of course change once you start... I initially set out for a year and decided to make a career of it, but it's still good to have an idea.)
2) What are you applying for in the Peace Corps? Teaching, or something else?
3) What graduate degree are you looking into?
If you're planning on teaching in the Peace Corps and also looking into graduate teaching programs, I'd recommend doing the Peace Corps first. I applied to the PC after I'd finished my MA and already had a few years of teaching experience, and I got the impression that the PC would be a better experience BEFORE grad school.
If you're only planning on spending a year or so teaching, you really need to prioritize your countries of choice (hard, I know, and I imagine you're already working on it), because once you get a full-time teaching job you really don't have much time to travel. You can see a lot of the country you're in, but for globe-trotting, you're better off just traveling. As a teacher, it will take you a lot longer to see all of the places on your list.
And on a more practical note, you'll need to keep in mind certain factors like visa requirements, EFL certification (some jobs/countries require it, some don't), whether or not you will need to save any money--e.g., for paying off student loans, etc., etc.
I've taught in Europe, Asia, South America, and now the Middle East, but I've been doing it for 10 years. In some cases I was lured by the culture/countries (Czech Republic, Chile, Peru), and in other cases I was lured by the job/money (Japan/Oman). Practicalities did interfere: I had to leave Peru because I couldn't make my student loan payments there.
Good luck,
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1) Who knows. I want to globe trot as a teacher - its a great way to secure a visa and live/work in a place for a number of months or years.
Of the choices however, this is the only one with a real age limit. If I'm going to teach in all of these places, it would be best to do it now, me thinks.
2) Teaching. I am a Liberal Arts major and I have yet to do enough volunteer work to eve get in, more than likely.
3) As far as Grad degree, it would be the same as my Bachelor's: Photography. Outside chance, a different Art degree though.
The idea being I could get a Grad degree on the cheap overseas, and come back to the states to teach it at the University level, if I choose. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:40 am Post subject: |
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1) How long do you want to teach in each country? Or just as a whole abroad? A few months in Japan is practically impossible.
2) Have you ever even just visited them? Might want to see what it's like first, if you haven't. Tourism is not living/working abroad, but it at least gives you a taste for what part of the country is like. Why did you choose those countries and not other? What fascinates you about them? (No general answers like "oh, I love the culture!" Be as specific as possible.)
3) Find out from people who already live & work there what the living and working is like. Going cold can lead to some terrible disappointments, especially if you have only secondhand info to go on.
4) If you plan to teach as a career, get educated for it.
5) Size up the options for teaching in each country. HS vs. JHS vs. conversation school vs. business school vs. etc. What is each like?
6) Related to #5, find out what the market is for each. (Japan is flooded with teachers right now.)
7) Related to #5, find out if you are even qualified or what it takes.
Decide what kind of money you want/need to save. If you're still in college now, how much student loan payload will you have to pay off per month?
9) Consider what you will have to leave behind (job potential, friends/family/pets/mortgage/car/etc.) and sit down to plan for such things. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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About the Peace Corps and the Grad degree. First apply and see if you get accepted. Realise with the Peace Corps that you probably won-t be able to pick the country.
Think about the future too. I thought about the peace corps, but due to money issues, decided against it.
YOu could always do everything on your list, you just need to pick what to do first. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Some people are unlucky in life in that they have very few choices ahead of them. I have the opposite problem.
In searching for answers to the question of adventure after graduation, my list instead has grown even longer.
There are so man countries I want to teach ESL in: China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand.
In addition, I am heavily considering joining the Peace Corps which woul send me to West Africa or Eastern Europe for 28 months.
Not to mention the Graduate Degree I am also considering in France.
And that's all on top of pure travel and vagabonding across the globe.
SOO many things I want to do and with any luck I'll be able to do them all. The question now is which one to pursue FIRST and thats sort of the issue.
I realize asking the posters here may not be the best idea since you cant very well TELL ME what to do with my life. But perhaps there are those that have been in similar situations and can offer advice, or perhaps there are those who simply know of ways someone like me can search their soul and find the right path.
The good news is all of these choices are built on the same core values - that of adventure and exploration. Any would enrich my life in ways I surely can't imagine.
Any advice would be appreciated. |
I have been teaching EFL in Asia for four years and I still don't know what to do. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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2) Have you ever even just visited them? Might want to see what it's like first, if you haven't. Tourism is not living/working abroad, but it at least gives you a taste for what part of the country is like. Why did you choose those countries and not other? What fascinates you about them? (No general answers like "oh, I love the culture!" Be as specific as possible.) |
Glenski, but I think some people like myself love living abroad but sort of hate touring. These days touring is not my thing. Too many people and such a pain carrying everything everywhere. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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3) As far as Grad degree, it would be the same as my Bachelor's: Photography. Outside chance, a different Art degree though.
The idea being I could get a Grad degree on the cheap overseas, and come back to the states to teach it at the University level, if I choose. |
Be careful where you get your degree. I doubt that there are many teaching at the university level in the United States with PhD's not from the United States. |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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There's no age limit on teaching. People start in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, etc., and stay in it for as long or as short a time as they wish. I started when I was 23, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's better to do it when you're young. I think it is easier to make the move when you're not tied down with a family, home, mortgage, debts, tons of material possessions, etc., but that isn't always tied to age. And depending on where you teach/how long you stay, getting a visa isn't always easy.
If you know that you want to come back to the US and teach, I'd recommend looking at job ads now to see what they require/accept--keeping in mind JZer's post about degrees from outside the US. (I have no idea about that one, but if a degree from France won't be accepted, you will have to rethink...)
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AdamtheJohnson
Joined: 10 Nov 2008 Posts: 157
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
1) How long do you want to teach in each country? Or just as a whole abroad? A few months in Japan is practically impossible.
2) Have you ever even just visited them? Might want to see what it's like first, if you haven't. Tourism is not living/working abroad, but it at least gives you a taste for what part of the country is like. Why did you choose those countries and not other? What fascinates you about them? (No general answers like "oh, I love the culture!" Be as specific as possible.)
3) Find out from people who already live & work there what the living and working is like. Going cold can lead to some terrible disappointments, especially if you have only secondhand info to go on.
4) If you plan to teach as a career, get educated for it.
5) Size up the options for teaching in each country. HS vs. JHS vs. conversation school vs. business school vs. etc. What is each like?
6) Related to #5, find out what the market is for each. (Japan is flooded with teachers right now.)
7) Related to #5, find out if you are even qualified or what it takes.
Decide what kind of money you want/need to save. If you're still in college now, how much student loan payload will you have to pay off per month?
9) Consider what you will have to leave behind (job potential, friends/family/pets/mortgage/car/etc.) and sit down to plan for such things. |
1) A year at least.
2) Touring is very hard, and very expensive. I was going to travel Africa and Asia with the 6,000 received after doing the Peace Corps, but that's such a long time from now.
This is the question I need to answer for myself. I've been researching them but I need to kick it into high gear, because one of the big reasons IS to experience culture and what not. I love Asian culture as a whole and want to experience the different aspects of it.
3) Working on it.
4) do you mean full degree or Cert?
5) I would do this after I narrow it down some.
8,9) As long as I have no debt I will be fine. I want to vagabond so it wont be a problem. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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There's no age limit on teaching. |
denise, actually there is an age limit. I believe that many countries will not offer a working visa to teach English for those over 60. Please correct me if I am wrong. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:22 am Post subject: |
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There is somewhat of an age limit on teaching. Lower age limit, for certain. Places like the JET programme have a somewhat rigid upper age limit, too.
JZer wrote: |
Glenski, but I think some people like myself love living abroad but sort of hate touring. These days touring is not my thing. Too many people and such a pain carrying everything everywhere. |
Obviously, the desire to backpack around the world still exists today. I couldn't do it now even if I were single, but the main point is that people have to realize what limitations there are on doing that. Mostly visa-related. Some people manage to "tour" without carrying much, and that's nice, but it's not an acceptable lifestyle for most people.
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4) do you mean full degree or Cert? |
I mean find out what degrees or certifications or experience are needed for the work you want to do. Employers and immigration may very well have different standards. Sounds to me like you are in the very embryonic stages of doing your research, and I'm glad to see you are at least trying to get the info. So many just leap into it and become disappointed/frustrated when they hit visa roadblocks.
Also, consider whether you would like to pursue teaching FT as a career, whether abroad or at home. If it's likely, then determine what sort of qualifications would be needed for the type of teaching you desire. Sometimes a BA degree is enough (but not for the long haul). Sometimes a master's degree, publications, license, and language requirements are needed.
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one of the big reasons IS to experience culture and what not. I love Asian culture as a whole and want to experience the different aspects of it. |
I'm sorry, Adam, but this is the answer I asked you not give. Please explain what it is about Asian culture you love and how you have come to learn it. If it's anime or just a bit of Internet surfing that has given you some exposure, that's one thing. If you've actually lived with an Asian family (homestay) or something else, the perspective is different.
I'm not being hard-nosed on this point just to be snooty. You're going to be asked to explain this during many/most interviews, so you might as well get it worked out here where the camp is friendly.
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As long as I have no debt I will be fine. I want to vagabond so it wont be a problem. |
Well, gee, no kidding! But, just how realistic is it that you will have no debt? What's your financial situation right now? What do you predict it to be when you graduate? People come here and state that they want to work overseas, then ask how easily they can pay off tens of thousands of dollars in student loans in the process. |
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SueH
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Posts: 1022 Location: Northern Italy
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:36 am Post subject: |
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AdamtheJohnson wrote: |
Of the choices however, this is the only one with a real age limit. If I'm going to teach in all of these places, it would be best to do it now, me thinks. |
Eh, what did he say? [No, I'm not Canadian]. Not if my age is anything to go by, and no, I'm not telling! . I'd also say that you can enjoy yourself at an older age as well. Not saying you shouldn't do what you'd like to do now, but don't panic about getting older.. (leave that to me..).
By and large I'd say teaching is one of the less ageist professions, at least in my part of the world. I would suggest though that after 50-ish you cut back on the hours, or if living in the US/UK etc. go somewhere with less form-filling bureaucracy... |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:48 am Post subject: |
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I'm sorry, Adam, but this is the answer I asked you not give. Please explain what it is about Asian culture you love and how you have come to learn it. If it's anime or just a bit of Internet surfing that has given you some exposure, that's one thing. If you've actually lived with an Asian family (homestay) or something else, the perspective is different.
I'm not being hard-nosed on this point just to be snooty. You're going to be asked to explain this during many/most interviews, so you might as well get it worked out here where the camp is friendly. |
Glenski, if one already could answer this there would really be no need to go teach abroad anyways. Ok, some people may move to X country because they think it is better than where they currently live. But a large percentage of people go to teach in a new country because they want to experience it. If they knew what it was like then why would they go there?
Glenski, I understand that good employers may be scared off by this because some of these people will become home sick and do runners.
Furthermore after having lived in South Korea and Taiwan for around four years, I still could not answer why I came to Taiwan. Actually the only real reason I have is that I wanted to explore the world and did not want to work in the same company for the next 30 years. |
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