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pwlivingstone2706
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 Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:25 am Post subject: New CELTA graduate ... schools in Hanoi? |
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Hi all,
I've just completed my CELTA in HCM City with ILA Vietnam and now I would like to try and find work in Hanoi...
But I haven't a clue where to start...
I don't have a 3 year degree, so ILA and Apollo are out of the question apparently...
Can anyone suggest which particular bars I need to hang out in with a sign saying 'desperate new teacher' in order to get the job offers rolling in?
Or is there a list of schools I should send my c.v. to?
Thanks for any help or advice
Philip |
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damasseur
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Even after you completed the CELTA course...
ILA or Apollo will not hire you?
What if someone can get a work permit, but does not have a University degree...
is still possible to land a job? |
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inky
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| A degree is one of the requirements for the Work Permit, which is why ILA/Apollo won't hire, so it's a moot point, unless I've misunderstood your question. |
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damasseur
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Yes, I know in order to get a work permit, one must have a degree.
I am just saying I can get a work permit because I happen to have some connections with the government.
But even if I have the permit, it does not guarantee a job because I do not have a college degree.
I am not even in Vietnam now, so this is just all speculations.  |
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Texas_blu
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| What if someone can get a work permit, but does not have a University degree... |
It is possible but problematic. If you can legally prove to the VN Labor Board that you have 1800 classroom hours of prior experience - it is possible to get a work permit. |
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inky
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"I happen to have some connections with the government."
I don't know how to spell the snorting noise I made when I read that. Why don't you ask your 'government connections' to get you a job?
Texas_blu is right, of course, there are legal ways to substitute a degree with experience. I forgot about that. |
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pwlivingstone2706
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| What if someone can get a work permit, but does not have a University degree... |
It is possible but problematic. If you can legally prove to the VN Labor Board that you have 1800 classroom hours of prior experience - it is possible to get a work permit. |
so 2-3 years experience for a work permit then!
any suggestions on where to start looking for work?
Thanks
Philip |
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pwlivingstone2706
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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"I happen to have some connections with the government."
I don't know how to spell the snorting noise I made when I read that. Why don't you ask your 'government connections' to get you a job?
Texas_blu is right, of course, there are legal ways to substitute a degree with experience. I forgot about that. |
shame they won't consider life experience 
any thoughts on where I might start looking for work in Hanoi? |
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inky
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Actually, as I understand it, it's the employer who initiates the paperwork for the Work Permit. So any 'connections' in the government would be useless unless you had a prior arrangement with the employer.
As for the experience thing, as Texas-blu states, the work hours in lieu of a degree have to be verifiable, which is a flexible term in Vietnam. |
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damasseur
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Forgive me if I offended anyone,
I used to tutor English part-time for some children whose parents work for the Vietnam Consulate in China.
He told me getting a work permit is very easy.
I�m just curious about the OP and why is he having hard time finding a job.
I�d sure like to know in case I do choose to go to Vietnam in the future to teach.
I think obtaining a CELTA certificate does not guarantee anyone a job. |
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Texas_blu
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| I don't have a 3 year degree, |
It's a 4 year degree in the USA
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I used to tutor English part-time for some children whose parents work for the Vietnam Consulate in China.
He told me getting a work permit is very easy. |
Actually, these people could help you a lot to put together the "verifiable" hours. But you still might not get a school to consider you. However, there are still a lot of schools trying to circumvent the permit issue - these dodgy schools would be your best bet.
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| Actually, as I understand it, it's the employer who initiates the paperwork for the Work Permit. |
This WAS true but this year that has changed, it can be you or the school to start and finish it. However, the permit can only be for 1 school which is a problem if you work for 2 - 3 schools which is very common for teachers. However, the upside is that it's transferable and renewable.
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| As for the experience thing, as Texas-blu states, the work hours in lieu of a degree have to be verifiable, which is a flexible term in Vietnam. |
I agree with this except that I believe that this is an understatement. |
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Texas_blu
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| But even if I have the permit, it does not guarantee a job because I do not have a college degree. |
This is a conception problem. You can get a Work Permit after you get a job not before you get one! |
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spycatcher reincarnated
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Ahhh.... knew this table wouldn't come out well
Yrs schooling pre uni Yrs at uni Total
US 12 4 16
UK 13 3 16
Aus 13 3 16
Vietnam 12 4 16
To start an British or Australian undergraduate uni degree one must normally have understaken 13 years of schooling. Therefore if Vietnamese or Americans leave high school (12 years) they have to do an additional "foundation year" before they would normally be allowed in to a British or Australian undergraduate degree. |
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AdrianG4
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| Texas_blu wrote: |
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| What if someone can get a work permit, but does not have a University degree... |
It is possible but problematic. If you can legally prove to the VN Labor Board that you have 1800 classroom hours of prior experience - it is possible to get a work permit. |
Is this a fact ? Is a website that confirms this .. It'd be nice to know that in a few years, I can find myself in Vietnam ! |
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pwlivingstone2706
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ok- so how do I find these schools that will take me on with just a business visa?
I've a mate who worked at ACET for $25 an hour for 3 years without a working permit or a CELTA - but he got in by personal recommendation and maybe a degree helped.
any bars I should hang out in?
thanks for any advice or tips
Philip |
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