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fishmb · Joined: 08 Jul 2009 Posts: 184 Location: Istanbul

Definitely time to lock the thread! Unless people are just trying to accumulate posts. Very Happy

Sashadroogie · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:57 pm Post subject:

Marquess

1. You have misquoted Yaramaz, actually. Nowhere in this thread did she say that she felt that her certificate was less than a CELTA or Trinity, but you implied this by your heavily edited quote of one of her sentences. You also willfully misunderstood coffespoonman and tried to twist his words.

2. IELTS training only requires that you have a 'recognised TESOL' - not specifically the two aforementioned quals. You also need a degree, and about three years' experience teaching experience. Not sure how this relates to anything on this thread, though.

3. Haven't seen that particular ITI handout about adverbs of frequency. Not sure what point you are trying to make there, either. Care to clarify?

And while you are at it, could you reveal to us all which course you took and what your result was? CELTA, you say? Pass grade or not? Otherwise we might think you are indeed what you sound like: a failed trainee so embittered that he needs to lash out at a perfectly respectable training centre which the vast majority of trainees value highly.

Marquess · Joined: 05 Feb 2009 Posts: 165

1 Search Yaramaz's recent posts and you will see that she says just that on the China forum. I did not twist coffeespoonman's words-he said right now.

2 The BC are not consistent on this. Some centres such as Cairo require celta or trinity. See Yaramaz's post on how she was reluctantly accepted with her Canadian equivalent.

3 Yes. It would be better according to my ITI handout to say:
Do you often troll?

yaramaz · Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject:

I was actually working my phrasing to be along the lines of, 'Come here often?'

Sashadroogie · Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:24 pm Post subject:

1. You quoted Yaramaz's post in this thread. Don't go referring to other threads. Re coffespoonman's words, are you so literal-minded? I can see why you didn't get on so well in the language awareness input sessions in CELTA. (Did you or didn't you pass, by the way?)

2. The BC is not the sole administrator of IELTS. While it is true that there is no absolute rule on this matter, most IELTS Training Centres allow for a recognised equivalent to CELTA and Trinity. Again, not sure what point you were trying to make, apart from stirring up trouble.

3. Lots of grammar books say the same thing as the ITI handout. What's your point?

As for trolling, I think you are the guilty party there, buddy. Nearly every one of your posts contains some snide, short remark or a rude, abusive comment directed at other posters.

How long until you get yourself banned?

Marquess · Joined: 05 Feb 2009 Posts: 165

1 I shall refer to any posts I like. Do you mean literally minded? Pop into ITI and get a copy of one of their handouts on adverbs. I got on very well in the language awareness sessions. Everyone passes.

2 Some centres do not accept CELTA equivalents.

3 ITI have great handouts even if they do waste half an hour and do not actually hand them out.

My posts are extremely informative and I have never even received a warning. Enjoy your classes.

tillymd · Joined: 07 Apr 2009 Posts: 114

Marquess,

I think you need a time out. The other children will not play with you if you are not nice.

Your posts on the KSA board are much friendlier.

Take a deep breath, and relax, aaaahhhhhhh, doesn't that feel better.

Thanks, Tillymd Very Happy

yaramaz · Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:23 pm Post subject:

Marquess hasn't received any warnings but its many former incarnations have all been banned.

Sashadroogie · Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:23 pm Post subject:

1. By all means refer to any post you like. But do so explicitly, and be sure to tell us which post you are referring to. Just basic practice, not to mention courtesy. Anything else is just being less than honest.

2. Yes, we've already concluded that some centres don't accept equivalent TESOL, but most do. And? Your point is...?

3. Can't be bothered with this one.

Not so informative as posts go, I'd say, except in so far as they give other posters some insight into all the negativity that can overcome a TEFLer. Overall, the ones I've read have been disingenuous, and quite misleading. Just dealing with this thread alone, you have willfully misconstrued people's words when they offered opinions, backed up with real evidence, that were counter to yours. An obvious tactic to obscure the fact that you were not correct in your comments about ITI. Thankfully, the OP doesn't seem to have paid you any heed and will be on the next CELTA run by ITI.

Those were some very dubious comments about language, e.g. the phrase 'literal-minded'. I don't think I need too much help with adverbs, as this is not an adverbial form. Was this a new phrase for you? It's better to check a dictionary before attempting to ridicule someone else's command of English, or they might respond by pointing out, pedantically, all the punctuation errors in your posts. Here's an online dictionary to get you started - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/literal+minded?qsrc=2446

BTW, not everybody passes the CELTA. Some trainees do actually fail. If you truly passed the ITI CELTA, then hats off to the professionalism of the trainers there, because I wouldn't be able to stick such arrogance.

Marquess · Joined: 05 Feb 2009 Posts: 165

1 You are contradicting yourself. In a previous post you wrote "don't go referring to other threads." Now I seem to have your permission.

2 You wrote that most centres accept "TESOL" equivalent. Surely you mean CELTA equivalent.

3 I win that one.

What evidence?

tillymd · Joined: 07 Apr 2009 Posts: 114

Hello Marquess,

Are you currently employed as an ESL instructor somewhere? Do you teach in Turkey?

If so, do you enjoy the job? I get the feeling you had some really bad experience that made you angry. You guys keep going round and round in pointless argument. Why don't you try giving constructive advice to the other teachers on this board.

What's even worse is that I'm feeding into it. From now on I'm going to avoid this kind of topic, it's a waste of time.

Tillymd

Sashadroogie · Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:46 pm Post subject:

1. No contradiction. Don't use another thread to retroactively justify your misquotes on this one, claiming that you were quoting a different thread all along. If you want to draw upon statements from other threads, fine, but do so openly and state your source. It won't come across as quite so sneaky. As an aside, are ITI grammar hand-outs good or not? You seem to be in contradiction there yourself.

2. No, I wrote 'equivalent TESOL'. Were you questioning my use of this phrase? If you were, surely you meant to use a question mark?

3. Yes, you are quite the winner. Well done. Not one person on the thread agrees with you about ITI, but congrats to the champ.

Evidence. Testimonials from trainees past and present recommending ITI. Not much, but the best that can be done on a forum.