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		Markemark
 
 
  Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Posts: 82 Location: ksa
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				 Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:17 am    Post subject: KSA Salaries- Your Guide- who's hot and who's cheating scum | 
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				Top performers are with salaries from  SR 16,000- 22,000+
 
1) Hak Aramco
 
2) Raytheon\ salts
 
3) Vinnel
 
4) Booz Hamilton
 
 
  These guys are still pretty good. SR 13,500-16,000+
 
5) PMU
 
6) Al Yamamah College
 
7) Bell Obeikan- (be careful here)- King Saud
 
  KFUPM
 
 
 From here on it starts to get a bit ropey-SR11,000-13,000  
 
 
9) IPA
 
10) King Faisal Uni
 
11) Jubail Industrial College- (*avoid M-Trading)
 
12) Yanbu Industrial College
 
13) Jubail University College
 
14) Al Falak
 
15) TINS
 
16) Dammam Community College 
 
17) Hail University
 
1  Al Baha University
 
 
 That's the top 18, where the latter 4 were fraying at the edges- but guess what, now we should get really worried. Yeah, a poxy SR10,000
 
 
19) Jubail Technical Institute
 
20) European Center Jubail
 
21) Wall Street
 
22) Jeddah British International School
 
23) Al Jouf University
 
 
And this is where it gets nasty, mean and dirty- SR8,000- 9,000
 
24) Direct English
 
25) Saudi British Institute
 
26) English First
 
27) Berlitz
 
 
   And in a class of its own, with salaries, from SR1500 for Arab teachers to 7,500 riyals, we have, tra.... laaaahhhhh- cruising into the hall of cheapness, the bearded tramp known as S AL Q, yes, it's number 28-
 
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		Markemark
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject:  | 
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				Some clarification on the miserable slave labor wages offered by our friend, S AL Q- the bearded little tramp.
 
 
 IH has Arab teachers earning less than 2,000 riyals per month.
 
 The average native speaker salary is 7,500 SR.
 
 However, native speakers are also employed on 6,000 riyals per month- without qualifications.
 
  Bottom of the food chain? Go figure. | 
			 
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		Stephen Jones
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:58 am    Post subject:  | 
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				Markemark's figures don't agree with the information I've got concerning salary scales.
 
 
Also he doesn't state what qualifications are required, or how many years of experience. | 
			 
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		Asda
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:09 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Stephen,
 
 
Genuinely enquiring, would/could you share your info with us...obviously without compromsing anybody's integrity, that is?
 
 
Markemark, 
 
 
You have more than set the ball rolling, thank you for a very useful post.
 
 
Long may this thread continue to develop...
 
 
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		Markemark
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:26 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Stephen, there are multiple variants in this in terms of assessing which employer might be the most suitable. Variants might include location, length of contract, prestige of the institute, type of teaching, college amenties, benefits- etc etc etc. Salary is just one further variant. For example, you're offered 19,000 SR- but for 6 months in Buraidah versus an offer based on just 13,000 SR- but for 1 year- in Khobar. Salary is therefore one of many variants that come into play when deciding where you would go.
 
 Now- if you accept that, and I assume you would, let's add the valid point that you made concerning one's academic qualifications and experience. It's there- as one further variant. I think the overall picture is valid-in that, variants aside, contracts do reflect the basic pay structure that I have oultined above.  
 
 On your second point, I am not sure where my pay scales deviate from the figures you may have, but they are based on data the organizations themselves have put out in many cases. | 
			 
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		Cleopatra
 
  
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				 Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:28 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| A good general guide, but remember that salary - while obviously extremely important - is not the whole story. When deciding where to work, factors such as holidays, accommodation, working hours, and - if applicable - sponsorship of family and education for children, are also crucial. | 
			 
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		Markemark
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:31 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| Yes, Cleopatra, I agree. This is a *general* guide and pay is, as I have said- simply one of multiple variants. | 
			 
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		desultude
 
  
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				 Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:09 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Another one of the PMU lies- almost no one I know makes that at PMU. They are in the 11-12 range- except for non-native speakers (fully qualified, with native-like skills, in leadership positions) who get in the 7-10 range.
 
 
New people are hired in at more than the veterans, and renewed contracts are limited to 5% increases. | 
			 
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		Never Ceased To Be Amazed
 
  
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	  Markemark's figures don't agree with the information I've got concerning salary scales.
 
 
Also he doesn't state what qualifications are required, or how many years of experience. | 
	 
 
 
 
Christ!!! Now you've gone and thrown this guy into full defense mode! There isn't a saudi employer that he wouldn't defend!
 
 
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		Green Acres
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:57 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| Nice one!  Looks like salaries have really dipped.  I see KAU is not listed, and KAUST? | 
			 
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		veiledsentiments
 
  
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				 Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:33 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  | Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: | 
	 
	
	  
 
	  | Stephen Jones wrote: | 
	 
	
	  Markemark's figures don't agree with the information I've got concerning salary scales.
 
 
Also he doesn't state what qualifications are required, or how many years of experience. | 
	 
 
 
 
Christ!!! Now you've gone and thrown this guy into full defense mode! There isn't a saudi employer that he wouldn't defend!
 
 
NCTBA | 
	 
 
 
Come on... SJ uses his real name... and seems to plan to stay in KSA, so he is careful what he says about employers.  
 
 
Besides that... his comment was 100% spot on. 
 
 
Neither you nor I have a horse in this race.   
 
 
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		Stephen Jones
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:15 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  | Genuinely enquiring, would/could you share your info with us...obviously without compromsing anybody's integrity, that is? | 
	 
 
I'll try, though I can't guarantee the accuracy.
 
 
My present employer (KFUPM) is too high, unless you have a Masters.
 
 
The University of Hail pays about 20% more than KFUPM if you are a direct hire.
 
 
To the best of my knowledge JTI, JIC, YIC, UYC, and UJC are all on the Royal Commission payscales, though things may have changed. They should all have the same salary, though it will depend on the Grade you are offered. They are still I believe higher than KFUPM unless you have a Masters.
 
 
As has been said, you seem to have upgraded PMU, though I have been told they are offering newcomers higher salaries than those offered renewal.
 
 
It's also fairly pointless to give a salary for contractors. What Al-Falak will pay will depend on where you are hired for.
 
 
I think basically you can divide jobs in Saudi into four types.
 
 
Contracts with Western companies servicing the military or with local contractors and Aramco.
 
Contracts with government institutions of higher education.
 
Contracts with private agencies and language schools.
 
Contracts with private schools. 
 
 
The first pays the best, the second is probably the best to work for. The third and fourth should only be approached with great caution and a decent set of information. | 
			 
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		sheikher
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:28 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Markemark makes mention of those employers who withold passports.
 
 
Neither is there indication of which institutions outsource recruitment to an agent, nor a list of these shysters any applicant should avoid. (It seems they are springing up everywhere in the Kingdom.)
 
 
Nor does markemark reveal the employers who issue illegal 3-month "business-visit" visas which require a run to Bahrain every 30 days and a renewal after 90. | 
			 
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		Pikgitina
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:46 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  Markemark makes mention of those employers who withold passports.
 
 
Neither is there indication of which institutions outsource recruitment to an agent, nor a list of these shysters any applicant should avoid. (It seems they are springing up everywhere in the Kingdom.)
 
 
Nor does markemark reveal the employers who issue illegal 3-month "business-visit" visas which require a run to Bahrain every 30 days and a renewal after 90. | 
	 
 
 
 
From my own experience in the K of SA and from the information one reads here (all the time), employers don't keep their employees' passports because they're mean.  It's the way things are done there - it's the law.  You either have your iqama or your passport, never both.  However, some allow employees to keep both, which I suspect actually puts them in the wrong.
 
 
You mention two more things not mentioned by the OP.  Why don't you tell us what you know, sheikher? | 
			 
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		Mr TEFL
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:45 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| What about BAE? | 
			 
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