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Why so little about TEFL in Morocco ?

 
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Hakim



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:58 am    Post subject: Why so little about TEFL in Morocco ? Reply with quote

I don't see a lot of info about teaching in Morocco in this forum. Other forums are full of posts so one gets a good sense of which places are good and what to avoid-what pay should be expected, etc. It's starting to look like Morocco is not a popular place to teach. Idea
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Hod



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beg to differ, Hakim. There's a veritable plethora of Moroccan information within this very section. What would you like to know?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:35 pm    Post subject: Teaching in Morocco Reply with quote

Hod,
I have seen some of your posts and agree that Morocco can sometimes be a frustrating place to be. I was actually wondering specifically about the American Language Centers and if this is a good teaching job in Morocco?

Equally important I found out that one ALC in Morocco perhaps all don't accept anyone 59 and over. This is a shame because in case I get laid off in the US, I was looking at TEFL as an alternative.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure about ALC.

Unfortunately, I can't find a reliable link to this, but the rule is that working visas won't be given to those aged 60 or over.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:48 am    Post subject: Thanks for the effort Reply with quote

I saw it in writing at the American Cultural Center website. Well I guess my Morocco days are over!!!

I was there back in the day when Hendrix was stretching his guitar for all it was worth and Eldridge Cleaver was in Algiers. There used to be quite a crowd on the beaches of Agadir, the dives in Marrakech etc.

Il Aleka ! Shukran
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medina



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Age limit in Morocco Reply with quote

This question of age has to do with the legal retirement age in Morocco, which is 60. That being the case, the Ministry of Labor will not issue a foreigner a work permit beyond the age of 60.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I worked in Morocco, I came across one person who was 65 and worked for a well-known school in Casablanca. He just lied about his age, and when it came time for him to apply for his card de sejour (after 3 months in the country), threw a big farewell party and left, heading for Spain....but nevertheless, with lots of Moroccan stories to tell...

All makes sense, the school don't need your passport, only the Police to give you your visa, and you have 3 months to apply for that or even a whole year if you leave the country every 3 months for a quick trip over the border into Spain (Ceuta).
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Hakim



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:08 am    Post subject: Re: Age limit in Morocco Reply with quote

medina wrote:
This question of age has to do with the legal retirement age in Morocco, which is 60. That being the case, the Ministry of Labor will not issue a foreigner a work permit beyond the age of 60.


Thanks for the clarification. In any case, all this came about because of the poor economy in the US. I thought I might lose my job so I started applying.

I'm very familiar with Morocco, speak French and have learned to read and write Arabic. I saw the Ministry of Labor age limit of 60 but am baffled as to why when I was offered a position the application said that "we can not hire anyone 59 and over." There's a difference between 59 and 60 according to the math that I learned.

I didn't argue the point since I didn't get laid off but still, I might have accepted the job.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TwinCentre wrote:
When I worked in Morocco, I came across one person who was 65 and worked for a well-known school in Casablanca. He just lied about his age, and when it came time for him to apply for his card de sejour (after 3 months in the country), threw a big farewell party and left, heading for Spain....but nevertheless, with lots of Moroccan stories to tell...

All makes sense, the school don't need your passport, only the Police to give you your visa, and you have 3 months to apply for that or even a whole year if you leave the country every 3 months for a quick trip over the border into Spain (Ceuta).


Yeah, I know that game -I had my time but I've settled down, work at a major University and am enjoying life. However things got dicey for awhile and lots of people got laid off. Luckily, I wasn't one of them. Good luck -la baess and eat a good tagine for me along with some whisky Maroccain.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:34 am    Post subject: Why 59 not 60? Reply with quote

More on this age question: if someone who's 59 shows up to work in Morocco, they'll give him or her a permit until their 60th birthday. If that's 3 months from when they arrive, most schools would not be interested in someone having to leave so soon. Yes, people go in and out of the country for the residence issue, but if they are working without a permit from the Ministry of Labor, they are working illegally --- like the guys who cross the border from Mexico into the US (or used to, anyway). These days, with laws being a lot tighter about things like that, nobody in their right mind would want to risk being arrested in Morocco.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Why 59 not 60? Reply with quote

medina wrote:
These days, with laws being a lot tighter about things like that, nobody in their right mind would want to risk being arrested in Morocco.


Please expand on this. Have laws changed? If so, please elaborate. Vague speculation helps no one.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:59 am    Post subject: Tighter laws Reply with quote

In Morocco, at least, police have become much more vigilant about foreigners making extended stays in the country with no apparent work, or repeated trips in and out (both of which are apparent upon entering or leaving a border from the passport stamps). This has to do both with terrorism and other kinds of crimes.
At any rate, anyone who wants to teach in Morocco (or elsewhere) should do things legally. If you're offered a job with a place that isn't specific about getting you a legal work permit from the start, then I'd say move on.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry medina, all I see here is your personal opinion. There are still no references to anything concrete at all. No argument from me that people should do things legally, but a lot of people will take risks to live/work abroad. Meanwhile, I don�t see any recent stories of people being deported and/or locked up in Morocco for living there for more than three months. You could�ve written your posts above in 1989, because unless you can advise otherwise, nothing�s changed.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Why 59 not 60? Reply with quote

medina wrote:
More on this age question: if someone who's 59 shows up to work in Morocco, they'll give him or her a permit until their 60th birthday. If that's 3 months from when they arrive, most schools would not be interested in someone having to leave so soon. Yes, people go in and out of the country for the residence issue, but if they are working without a permit from the Ministry of Labor, they are working illegally --- like the guys who cross the border from Mexico into the US (or used to, anyway). These days, with laws being a lot tighter about things like that, nobody in their right mind would want to risk being arrested in Morocco.


Well that's the answer then. Thanks for the explanation-I would have really considered taking the job but because of my age I had to tell the employer the truth. However, if I had been laid off here in the US, this job would have been my salvation. That's what irks me about this situation. Like my mom says, en peut pas faire du neuf avec du vieux!!!
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