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12 Monkeys
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| thanks saif for keeping it real. |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| But there are instances where people may attempt to disrespect you because they think you're African and not American. |
I think this highlights an important issue: Racism certainly exists in the Kingdom but often we are dealing more with snobbery than with racism as such. Saudis associate Africans and Asians with menial, low-status work, and sadly treat them accordingly. However, in my experience, once it's established that one is, say, a black American or a Brit of Asian origen, people are much more favourably disposed towards you. That doesn't make it alright, of course, but that's the way it is.
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| There have bee countless times when Saudis have asked me where I'm from and when I mention I'm from America, they don't believe me. |
REally? The Saudis I deal with - mainly the young and educated - are very well aware that there are black Americans. |
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veiledsentiments
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| but on this board we need to be clear that the whole colonization thing is their opinion... not backed up by the facts. |
I'm sorry but it is very much backed up by the facts. The Hijaz formed part of the Ottoman Caliphate but whether that could be counted as colonization is debateable. After all the Ottoman Caliphate was the direct descendant of the Caliphate that came out of Makkah and Madina. |
You misunderstood SJ... I was not saying that they were colonized, but are not the only ones who have not been. Neither was Turkey, Iran, or any of the other little Sheikhdoms of the Gulf. (all of the Gulf countries being quasi-colonies of Global Oil and their attached militaries)
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Desert Storm
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:12 pm Post subject: RE: Yes |
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Yes Cleopatra....surprising as it is to you is just as surprising as it is to me.
It has gotten so bad that when people ask I don't even bother. I tell them "it's not important"...or...."it doesn't matter"....or even "I'm from Earth where are you from?". It's really that ridiculous. I must first insist 100 times that I really am American and have no clue where the heck in Africa my ancestors might have been from. Yes, my mother, grandmother, great grandmother, great great grandmother etc. have all been born in America yes. Then I go into a whole world history lesson about Native Americans being the "original" Americans and that everyone else isn't from America technically and how the British colonized them and brought slaves. It's really quite time consuming explaining this all the time. "It doesn't matter" saves a lot of that precious time.
I must say though that it might be due to the fact that this is the central region where historically interaction with outsiders has been limited. When I was in the Eastern province for some years it wasn't nearly this bad.
It's a reality. You just deal with it and carry on like everywhere else. People of all ethnic origins, not just necessarily blacks, should be aware of what they might be exposed to here. |
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Stephen Jones
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| or any of the other little Sheikhdoms of the Gulf. |
With the exception of Kuwait pretty well every other Sheikhdom in the Gulf was in an almost colonial relationship with Britian, akin to that of the Maharajas in India. And this was well before the Americans discovered what to do with their oil in 1861.
As has been said before, when Saudis talk about the 'Middle East' they tend to think of the Arab parts. Turkey and Iran are considered peripheral. |
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12 Monkeys
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| What does colonization have to do with this thread? |
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12 Monkeys
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Students have been known to withdraw from their English course if their professor is black. King Faisal University in Hofuf, for example, where the Saudi appointed to directorship was apparently less than supportive. Indeed, early in the semester he expressed the desire to fire the man without ever once inspecting his classes.
Said person had few colleagues that he discoursed with one of whom was me.
My question is this.
Do other people discriminate against a person just because they exchange ideas and view points with a discriminated person?
Does anyone have an answer to this that does not involve colonization?
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| What does colonization have to do with this thread? |
Is your name Dave Sperling? Did he nominate you to be the thread police? If you don't like a post, ignore it... just as we have done and will do with your regular little whines and directives here.
Yup SJ...
There you have it... it seems that everyone has their own definition of what constitutes "colonization" and what are the borders of the "Middle East."
I suppose that we could stop tormenting the monkey, but only because I think we have exhausted the subject. 
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sheikher
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| Except to remark that he is a fair representation of the quality of illegal backpacker teachers employed by Shabakah Training Establishment, subcontractor for King Faisal University in Hofuf. |
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12 Monkeys
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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you got a monkey on your back or something veiledwhateverments. maybe you need a fix or something. colonization colonization colonization colonization colonization colonization colonization colonization colonization colonization colonization colonization.
oh yeah and one more for good luck, colonization
I'm trying to get some advice which you seem to supply freely. Well whine on this. Or should I say "backpacker" "illegal" to my friend shaker.
I am not asking too much am I? so give me a proper response, and I'll be civil with bland comments that have no significance just like you.
I am not returning to hofuf as i have no intention to sign a new contract with the infamous contractor and the school tyrant director. i doo doo on you.
we have been offered other positions throughout the kingdom and by we i am referring to my wife and i as a couple. there are more lucrative opportunities existing in the majyk kindom for couples and to boot there is a double income.
as for racism and discrimination i could be wrong but i feel i have been judged due to my camaraderie with previously mentioned person. as for colonization yes we did have the kingdom under our control but we never treated them like second class citizens. I am referring to the ottoman empire of which the last faint remnant exists in Turkey my birthplace.
The most kindest of all regards.
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sheikher
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| King Saud University is delighted to announce the immediate appointment of 12monkeys, previously known as matthew156, and his wife to its dysfunctional halls of academia. |
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12 Monkeys
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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King Saud University is delighted to announce the immediate appointment of 12monkeys, previously known as matthew156, and his wife to its dysfunctional halls of academia.
-we don't want to mention any names here.
-did you read the labels on the boxes i left downstairs?
-shame on you i thought you were better than that.
-anyways what do you expect from a "MUSLIM" that leaves his Quaran on the floor in a plastic shopping bag |
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12 Monkeys
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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My sources tell me that the program was highly successful and that the university is currently undergoing a major capital expansion project. If the situation on the ground in Hofuf is so dreadful, where are the complaints of the other 20+ expat teachers working there?
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SUCK CESSFUL is more like it. The 20+ teachers (illegal backpackers) have all hitchhiked home. There are 7 teachers that will not come back here even if you ask nicely with sugar on top. Out of these seven I am trying to put it on the line here. The students go above the chain of command directly to the board of directors of the university and this causes retributions that eventually affect all of us. I know of no other "Higher Educational system" that practices these kinds of dealings. Students complain and they are taken far too seriously.
They (students) seem to think that books, notebooks, pens, doing homework, and attendance is something that we teachers should not enforce upon them. So it's really surprising the high rate of success that this university has churned out (another brick in the wall) I wonder how they passed with such great academic skills.
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