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Charmer
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 Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:44 am Post subject: Celta or Trinity more respected in Taiwan? |
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Hello, I know this issue has been debated in other posts and from my understanding both the Trinity and Celta are well recognized. I'm graduating this December from university and I'm planning to do one of these courses shortly after. However, the Celta course is $2400 while the Trinity is only $2000. I know that Celta is the the most recognized and that Trinity is the second one.
I was wondering if the extra $400 was worth paying to get the 'brand name' Celta to maximize my job opportunities in Taiwan or will a Trinity be enough to help land me a decent job? Which one do employers prefer? I just don't want to waste that extra money if the Trinity will do just as good of a job as the Celta. Thanks
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Rooster_2006
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| Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:03 am Post subject: Re: Celta or Trinity more respected in Taiwan? |
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| Charmer wrote: |
Hello, I know this issue has been debated in other posts and from my understanding both the Trinity and Celta are well recognized. I'm graduating this December from university and I'm planning to do one of these courses shortly after. However, the Celta course is $2400 while the Trinity is only $2000. I know that Celta is the the most recognized and that Trinity is the second one.
I was wondering if the extra $400 was worth paying to get the 'brand name' Celta to maximize my job opportunities in Taiwan or will a Trinity be enough to help land me a decent job? Which one do employers prefer? I just don't want to waste that extra money if the Trinity will do just as good of a job as the Celta. Thanks
Alex |
You know, some countries have really cheap CELTA programs (like Vietnam), so you could actually get a CELTA cheaper than $2,000.
Personally, I'd say there's no difference in recognition. Sure, far more people have heard of CELTA, but no one cares about it except for immigration bureaus. No employer is going to say "Wow, you have a CELTA! Let's hire you right away!" Since almost no employers care about EITHER certificate, it doesn't really matter which one you get.
The only time it matters, as I just said in the previous paragraph, is for immigration requirements (for example, I couldn't be teaching in Taiwan right now if I didn't have a TEFL certificate of some kind, because my degree is an AA and not a BA, and Taiwanese immy requires a TEFL for AA holders). I'm sure most immigration bureaus consider both Trinity and CELTA to be valid. I'm sure that all major immigration bureaus that look at TEFL certifications have run into both CELTA and Trinity.
In other words, go for whatever you want. These certificates may help improve your teaching, and may help you clear immigration hurdles especially if you lack a degree, but they will NOT help you with employment at all but a tiny percentage of places. Perhaps there might be a rare case in which you are competing with someone who is exactly the same of you (except no TEFL) and it'll be the tiebreaker, but the schools are far more likely to look at other factors to break that tie. |
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Charmer
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:10 am Post subject: Re: Celta or Trinity more respected in Taiwan? |
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| Rooster_2006 wrote: |
You know, some countries have really cheap CELTA programs (like Vietnam), so you could actually get a CELTA cheaper than $2,000.
Personally, I'd say there's no difference in recognition. Sure, far more people have heard of CELTA, but no one cares about it except for immigration bureaus. No employer is going to say "Wow, you have a CELTA! Let's hire you right away!" Since almost no employers care about EITHER certificate, it doesn't really matter which one you get.
The only time it matters, as I just said in the previous paragraph, is for immigration requirements (for example, I couldn't be teaching in Taiwan right now if I didn't have a TEFL certificate of some kind, because my degree is an AA and not a BA, and Taiwanese immy requires a TEFL for AA holders). I'm sure most immigration bureaus consider both Trinity and CELTA to be valid. I'm sure that all major immigration bureaus that look at TEFL certifications have run into both CELTA and Trinity.
In other words, go for whatever you want. These certificates may help improve your teaching, and may help you clear immigration hurdles especially if you lack a degree, but they will NOT help you with employment at all but a tiny percentage of places. Perhaps there might be a rare case in which you are competing with someone who is exactly the same of you (except no TEFL) and it'll be the tiebreaker, but the schools are far more likely to look at other factors to break that tie. |
Thanks a lot for the clarification Rooster. At least now I know I can go with the cheaper option and still have a certificate that's recognized and receive some decent training.
Are you working in Taiwan now? And what are the main deciding factors employers are looking for when hiring someone with no experience?(considering I will have a BA and a tesol) |
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forest1979
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
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Location: SE Asia
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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Some great advice has been given in this thread to the OP.
Neither a CELTA or TRINITY will help you get a job as the Taiwanese job market really doesn't look at, or care for, either. |
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MrMrLuckyKhan
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Location: Kingdom of Cambodia
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| I recently took my CELTA course in Saigon, Vietnam for only $1,350 through Apollo International House. If you pay early many of them give you discounts. You can check out cactus tefl dot com for a list of centres and prices. |
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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:22 am Post subject: Please clarify the "cactus tefl" bit of the URL |
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| MrMrLuckyKhan wrote: |
| You can check out cactus tefl dot com for a list of centres and prices. |
When you say "cactus tefl", do you mean that it is all one word in the URL (as in "cactustefl") or else are they two words separated by an underscore (as in "cactus_tefl") or a dash/hyphen (as in "cactus-tefl")?
Some clarification on this would be very helpful, thanks. |
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MrMrLuckyKhan
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Location: Kingdom of Cambodia
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| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:12 am Post subject: Re: Please clarify the "cactus tefl" bit of the UR |
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| Chris_Crossley wrote: |
| MrMrLuckyKhan wrote: |
| You can check out cactus tefl dot com for a list of centres and prices. |
When you say "cactus tefl", do you mean that it is all one word in the URL (as in "cactustefl") or else are they two words separated by an underscore (as in "cactus_tefl") or a dash/hyphen (as in "cactus-tefl")?
Some clarification on this would be very helpful, thanks. |
WoW, seriously? Try using some brain power! Google could have sorted you out before you took the time and effort to post this! 
the 'dot com' stands for '.com' in case you were wondering. 
cactustefl.com |
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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:27 am Post subject: Re: Please clarify the "cactus tefl" bit of the UR |
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| MrMrLuckyKhan wrote: |
| Google could have sorted you out before you took the time and effort to post this! |
Humans are supposed to sort out websites, not the other way around!
| MrMrLuckyKhan wrote: |
| the 'dot com' stands for '.com' in case you were wondering. |
I wasn't.
| MrMrLuckyKhan wrote: |
| cactustefl.com |
I could've just entered this into the address bar immediately and been proven right if the link had worked. No need to use Google in that case! |
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MrMrLuckyKhan
Joined: 08 Feb 2008
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Location: Kingdom of Cambodia
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| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:42 pm Post subject: Jump Jump |
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WoW, I'm still just amazed you figured out the 'dot com' part and couldn't locate the website itself, LoL (that stands for Laughing Out Loud, don't waste anymore of Google's precious time, Kriss Kross).  |
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LKJ
Joined: 06 May 2007
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Coca Cola and Pepsi.
Deliberating a Trinity TESOL v's a CELTA based on cost or location = is an understandable but short term consideration.
Go for the CELTA, 110%. Brand names matter.
The CELTA will get you much further in the longer term international job circuit. The difference in cost will be easily recouped (many times over) in the potential jobs and salary you could command (forgetting Taiwan) in places such as the Middle East, Europe, Hong Kong, etc, etc.
You won't regret it.
I have in fact done both courses. Personally, I thought the Trinity TESOL was a better course, but when I have applied to various countries they ALL focus and talk about my CELTA....and overlook my TESOL.
BTW - for any readers out there...... forget doing an online TEFL course.......they are an utter joke in the eyes of any decent employer.
I hope this helps.
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