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Noor
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What, no "bleeding heart"?
Most of the ESL/EFL text books I have worked with seem to have an underlying if not explicit theme of promoting cultural awareness. Is this the kind of piety to which you refer? Maybe you could be more specific. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:41 am Post subject: |
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Not to mention inaccurate use of the term "Fascism" by another person who doesn't have the knowledge to understand that this is the extreme right wing. 
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ItsJustMe
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| TEFL, and education generally, is dominated by political correctness. Dissent is rarely tolerated...PC thus takes on the trappings of a fascist regime. How ironic. Just browse through some TEFL course books...the same knee-jerk, liberal left-wing pieties and reactions. |
I suppose that it is our reaction to these conditions that reveals our character. Viktor E. Frankl wrote, "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom".
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Sheikh N Bake
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:48 am Post subject: |
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We can quote philosphers all day, but after 23 years of looking at TEFL textbooks, the basic generalizations I can make is that they tend to
1. be boring, and I suppose by definition lacking in intellectual content
2. present only females as achievers. Boys or men seldom have challenging careers or show significant achievements in ESL/EFL texts. Females are usually engineers and astrophysicists while males deliver the mail--if they can sort it properly.
At least it's OK to for girls to be kind to animals.
VS, although I don't necessarily agree with that poster. s/he makes the valid point that any kind of thought police is fascist. I consider Mao to have been a fascist as he was not really a Marxist or communist, just a power-mad, amoral incompetent.
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ItsJustMe
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| Sheikh N Bake wrote: |
We can quote philosphers all day, but after 23 years of looking at TEFL textbooks, the basic generalizations I can make is that they tend to
1. be boring, and I suppose by definition lacking in intellectual content
2. present only females as achievers. Boys or men never have challenging careers or show significant achievements in ESL/EFL texts.
At least it's OK to for girls to be kind to animals. |
TEFL sounds like a very sad world  |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Sheikh N Bake wrote: |
| 2. present only females as achievers. Boys or men seldom have challenging careers or show significant achievements in ESL/EFL texts. Females are usually engineers and astrophysicists while males deliver the mail--if they can sort it properly. |
So now you know how it felt all of my life where every female shown in any US text book was either at the ironing board or the kitchen stove... in a dress... and heels. Out of curiosity I went to my bookshelf and pulled out about 10 texts at random... and not one of them were weighted in favor of females... they were either quite equal or still weighted towards men. (male vice president sitting at desk... two chapters later a group of women celebrating National Secretaries Day)
But you will certainly get no argument from me as to their being boring. Which is why I preferred teaching writing since you weren't tied to a text as much.
And you too are confusing the meaning of "fascism" with dictatorship which is similar whether it is extreme right (Fascist) or extreme left wing (Communist). Fascism has very specific characteristics... which Americans can't seem to sort out.  It would be danged near impossible for a government to be both Fascist and Communist.
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littleoldlady
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| VS Come to the UK then you might change your mind |
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veiledsentiments
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Hey... I thought 'muricans were supposed to be the worst of the "politically correctness" brigade.
Maybe he was talking about awful old Headway?
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ckhl
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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by another person who doesn't have the knowledge to understand that this is the extreme right wing.
Ouch, Dear. That was my whole point. They take on the very characteristics they demonise by not tolerating any dissent. |
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ckhl
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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s/he makes the valid point that any kind of thought police is fascist
Thank you. I hadn't read this before my previous posting. A bit of lateral thinking, Dear VS??? Elastic use of ...useful terms?[/i] |
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ckhl
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Fascism has very specific characteristics... which Americans can't seem to sort out.
And one more thing dear....is your "liberal" or overuse of icons an attempt to compensate for something? |
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veiledsentiments
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lateral use of elastic terms? Now that requires  and
It is still an attempt to damn with improper usage... and overwhelmingly overused and inaccurately used every day in American political "discourse."
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ckhl
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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It is still an attempt to damn with improper usage... and overwhelmingly overused and inaccurately used every day in American political "discourse."
Nonsense.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascist
definition 2- a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality
or, from dictionary.com, definition 3:3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views
Notice the "OR" in the definition.
And the purerile insinuation that I didn't complete my intro courses in political theory.        |
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ckhl
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| oh...and before I'm taken to task or it's triumphantly pointed out to me....excuse me for the typo.....it's "puerile" |
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