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gungediana
Joined: 06 Apr 2009 Posts: 82
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:28 pm Post subject: transitions between TESOL jobs |
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My questions are a bit weird maybe, but bare with me please.....
They're about the transition between jobs in the TESOL world.
Do many "serious" jobs, i.e those which require post-grad qualifications require candidates to travel in person for a face-to-face interview in their home country?
Do senior positions, i.e DOS jobs require candidates to have a face-to-face interview in their home country?
How long is the typical transition between TESOL jobs? If it's a long time, how do teachers deal with the lack of income?
Do TESOL employers generally understand that the people they are trying to recruit will almost certainly already be overseas, and do they take this into account re, interview, visas, flights etc?
Sorry about all the questions. Thanks |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:51 am Post subject: |
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Do many "serious" jobs, i.e those which require post-grad qualifications require candidates to travel in person for a face-to-face interview in their home country?
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Do you mean the country in which the job takes place as 'home country' or the country of the foreign teacher's passport?
Depends on the country, but often no, they don't. Many of the 'serious' jobs require you to be in the country first, not just to interview. That's why you read so often of people starting at a conversation school and moving up.
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Do senior positions, i.e DOS jobs require candidates to have a face-to-face interview in their home country? |
Not sure, but I would hazard a guess that without experience in the country in which the position happens, that you don't have much chance at that type of job, and so usually the position will be filled from within the country in which the position is occurring.
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How long is the typical transition between TESOL jobs? If it's a long time, how do teachers deal with the lack of income? |
Ideally, there isn't any time between them. That's one of the benefits of a system like in Japan where most jobs start April 1. If you have one of the odd jobs that doesn't, then that can be a big problem, especially if it's a full year contract that starts in October, for example, because it means that you will probably be having a problem come the end of a contract that you don't want to renew, or that they don't want to renew. I've known people who've been out of work for months. If you have time, then you use savings. If it's a long time, and you can't get by on private lessons, nor get a part time job in between, then you have a problem. What you do depends on where you are, and what you can do.
The JET program in Japan has a bit of a problem because it is at risk of JETs leaving their late July/ early August jobs to go to a April start job any year from the time they arrive. The program is set up so that pay and benefits are better than in most jobs, so from that point of view it's not likely to happen, but how good a job is is always dependent on the people you work with. If your supervisor or other Japanese teachers are making your life miserable (not all that uncommon) then people can and do leave.
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Do TESOL employers generally understand that the people they are trying to recruit will almost certainly already be overseas, and do they take this into account re, interview, visas, flights etc? |
What do you mean by take it 'into account'? You either have telephone (or possibly skype interview) in which case it will almost always be during the working hours of the country that has the job, or they want you to already be in the country. |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:10 am Post subject: |
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Your questions all seem geared towards moving from a job overseas to a job back home... when I was trying that, I didn't get very far. I was emailing my CV and cover letter and telling them when I would be back in the US. Didn't get much of a response that way. And when I was actually in the US and looking, there was a delay of a few months between when I was interviewing and when the start of the next term would be.
If you're abroad and going from one country to another, phone interviews are a bit more common. And you can time it so that you finish one contract and start another, but you might still lose your summer pay.
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Not sure, but I would hazard a guess that without experience in the country in which the position happens, that you don't have much chance at that type of job, and so usually the position will be filled from within the country in which the position is occurring. |
Some serious jobs like international schools and more serious universities come to English speaking countries for recruitment fairs to meet the canidates in person. It really depends how serious the job really is. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Well, not just how serious the job is, but how badly they need someone.
At the uni where I work, we aren't interviewing anyone who doesn't come here for a face-to-face - simply because we have so many highly-qualified candidates we don't need to spend more energy on it.
I agree with previous posters that, in most cases, the 'serious' jobs go to someone in-country, with a local reputation and contacts, and probably local language skills. The exceptions are likely international schools located in less-desirable regions, and some universities, ditto.... |
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nickpellatt
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1522
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:16 am Post subject: |
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Im in-between countries at the moment as Im concentrating on completing my BA ... but Im fortunate enough to have good contacts at home. With summer schools and other local programs I can earn a living wage between April and October each year in EFL at home. I dont know if my hometown is unique in that respect, but there are EFL jobs in England, and I have never had a problem finding work. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:27 am Post subject: |
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I agree with previous posters that, in most cases, the 'serious' jobs go to someone in-country, with a local reputation and contacts, and probably local language skills. The exceptions are likely international schools located in less-desirable regions, and some universities, ditto.... |
I would say that certain international schools like the British or American international school mostly hire abroad. In many areas they would not find qualified canidates in country since to qualify you need to have an American or British teaching credential. Not to mention that they prefer people who are actually working as proper teachers and not language school teachers. |
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gungediana
Joined: 06 Apr 2009 Posts: 82
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Just to clarify, I was referring to moving from one foreign country to another. But, I see often with international chain schools, like IH, they want you to be in London or somewhere for an interview. Obviously that's very difficult if you're already abroad.
Also, whem I say "serious" jobs I mean those that require CELTA and experience at the very minimum, i.e jobs for professionals.
I suppose my questions boil down to this, if you're working abroad, how easy is it to move to work in another country? Do employers who hire MA TESOLs and experiences TESOL professionals etc generally take into consideration that the people they're hiring will probably be abroad already?
Cheers for the response so far. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:36 am Post subject: |
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CELTA + experience is basically still not 'professional' in most teaching contexts.
Again, most DOS/university/teacher trainer positions hire people locally -it's not that common (at least in Europe) to hire someone from abroad, whom you know little about. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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gungediana wrote: |
Just to clarify, I was referring to moving from one foreign country to another. But, I see often with international chain schools, like IH, they want you to be in London or somewhere for an interview. Obviously that's very difficult if you're already abroad.
Also, whem I say "serious" jobs I mean those that require CELTA and experience at the very minimum, i.e jobs for professionals.
I suppose my questions boil down to this, if you're working abroad, how easy is it to move to work in another country? Do employers who hire MA TESOLs and experiences TESOL professionals etc generally take into consideration that the people they're hiring will probably be abroad already?
Cheers for the response so far. |
IH now has interviews in various countries. But yeah, I agree with the poster that says you should get a job, any job, that will get you in country, then move up the ladder. |
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