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How did you choose your present country
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Marcoregano



Joined: 19 May 2003
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Location: Hong Kong

PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joachim wrote: Hong Kong....amazing students....not in the same sentence surely????? How can that be?
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foster



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Location: Honkers, SARS

PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marco, I have some pretty amazing students in HK...I have some shocking ones as well. I truly love my job here and I enjoy my time. That said, today is Friday and I would give my left anything to go home right now... Rolling Eyes Wink
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Lanza-Armonia



Joined: 04 Jan 2004
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Location: London, UK. Soon to be in Hamburg, Germany

PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I chose China cuz it's the only place that would let me work without a degree. That and the culture, language, history.

I wouldn't mind going back to HK (used to live there a while ago). I loved it there but it's expensive. Japan's cool also but the TEFL thing seems to be cooling off itself. Korea looks like the best bet huh?..... <open ended questions>

LA
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yaramaz



Joined: 05 Mar 2003
Posts: 2384
Location: Not where I was before

PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I chose Turkey by fortuitous accident. When I finished my TEFL course, I was offered jobs in Hong Kong and Okinawa and in Hokkaido. I was right in the middle of the hiring process for HK when a little email from Wherethefeck, Turkey popped into my inbox. Next thing I knew I accepted it and royally miffed the school in HK. The salary was a fraction of HK's. No dim sum restaurants in sight (tragic). No regrets, even though it hasn't been easy. Apparently, I chose one of the most difficult, conservative cities to live in... ooops. Even the Turks ask me why on earth I am here and not in IstanbulAnkaraIzmirAntalyaWhatever.

However, I am really happy here. I didnt have a clue what I was getting myself into when I came here, even though I had travelled extensively for years... just not in this neck of the woods. I plan to stay at least a few more years as I am really not ready to leave--- though I am very ready to leave this city of headscarves and concrete. I thinkI will be in Istanbul next term... mmmmm salt air and cafes not full of scruffy men in suits smoking, drinking tea, playing okey...
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Scott in HK



Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lanza-Armonia wrote

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Japan's cool also but the TEFL thing seems to be cooling off itself. Korea looks like the best bet huh?..... <open ended questions>




hate to be the one to break it to you...but both of those countries require a bachelor's degree to get a working visa..though i understand that you can get working holiday visa in japan for a year...
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Lanza-Armonia



Joined: 04 Jan 2004
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Location: London, UK. Soon to be in Hamburg, Germany

PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...thanks for the info...I'll look into it more....

LA
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Teacher in Rome



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your stories are really interesting. I like the fact that everyone has got up off their collective butts and gone somewhere 'unknown' for money / love / cultural interest, or whatever.

Some people around me are not the sort to go off travelling and think that English teachers are a little weird for wanting to leave their 'home' countries. After a while, it makes me feel a bit of a freak. Well, freaks we all are, then - I'm in good company!

So what do you think are essential personality traits for surviving - years at a time - in completely different cultures?
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basiltherat



Joined: 04 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So what do you think are essential personality traits for surviving - years at a time - in completely different cultures?


i think, tolerance (lots of it in many cases) understanding and a flair for picking up languages. at least; thats wats kept me going for the last 28 years.
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basil
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latefordinner



Joined: 19 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As with so many, fortuitous happenstance. I decided to get some experience before I started teaching, so I volunteered to tutor for the LINC program. My student and her family had just immigrated from Shanghai, they got me interested in China. It wasn't even on the radar until I met them. Now however...
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waxwing



Joined: 29 Jun 2003
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Location: China

PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess you wouldn't believe me if I said chess, so I'll opt for dyevushki in fur coats Wink
Another non-trivial factor is (was) the fact that I can go for weeks here (actually it's been months) without seeing a single other foreigner or 'traveller'.
Realistically that's a bit over the top, I'd think twice before opting for that again.
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khmerhit



Joined: 31 May 2003
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Location: Reverse Culture Shock Unit

PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

waxwing said
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I guess you wouldn't believe me if I said chess, so I'll opt for dyevushki in fur coats


On the contrary, I would believe you. Im afraid Im not myself very gifted at chess, but I met a guy in Cambodia who was. he was a Frenchman of Middle Eastern origin who made a study of chess and its history in different countries. He travelled around the world playing chess with locals to see how they did it in their respective lands. Most interesting. You can meet people like that in Cambodia. Not like here, sadly.

I dont suppose you would have any photos of dyevushki in fur coats, would you?

TGIF
Khmerhit
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johnslat



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:37 pm    Post subject: Cameleon-like xenophilia Reply with quote

Tolerance is definitely a vital asset, but I'd also vote for adaptability, the knack of "fitting in" to whatever environment you happen to land in - and to whatever "social class" of people you find yourself among. I'm not sure if this quality can be acquired or if it's innate - maybe both, or some combination of the two, are possible. But it's certainly been helpful to me over the years.
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John
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denise



Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Location: finally home-ish

PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another personality trait that I'd add is independence--I'm sure we've all known people who have packed up and gone home because they weren't used to being so far away from family/friends. There were a number of people from my TEFL program who went home within a matter of months.

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waxwing



Joined: 29 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

khmerhit wrote:

I dont suppose you would have any photos of dyevushki in fur coats, would you?
Khmerhit


Eh? I thought you'd want some pictures of chess pieces?

Well, maybe not in fur coats, but vot mnoga dyevushek:

http://miss.rambler.ru/top.html

Number 8 can play the Sicilian Defence against me anyday Shocked

The thing you have to keep telling yourself here is : all that glisters ...
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