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Cubic09
Joined: 23 Aug 2009 Posts: 66 Location: Wellington, New Zealand
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:06 am Post subject: Mental Illness & Japan |
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Thanks for all the answers to my previous post people...this is a whole new topic which I hope is not too taxing for you folk.
As mentioned, I intend applying to the JET programme later this year, for a placement in August 2010.
My question is: how extensive are the medical tests that are performed in the application process? Will I be required to disclose my entire medical history?
I was hospitalized for Bipolar Disorder several years ago, and again earlier this year.
It's now completely under control with medication; whereas previously it wasn't.
I don't intend declaring this, as it has no bearing on my ability to perform the job. In NZ, you're only required to declare such illness if it does.
I've seen previous posts where it seems that JET look severely on any sort of emotional issues, however I have been in many high-stress situations before and am currently studying full-time and working.
Any thoughts are appreciated...I definitely do not view my intention not to disclose as dishonest, for what it's worth.
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Well, you need to get a doctor to sign off that in their professional opinion, you are fit to work overseas for at least a year. Bipolar Disorder can be triggered by stress, and that's exactly what JET does to you- you often get put in a small town with no other foreigners and it's.... well, stressful (in a different way than high stress jobs). When I got my health check done, I could only go to my regular family doctor, even though he was five hours away on the highway. Bipolar disorder is not a temporary situational depression that you get over and move on, and if you've been hospitalized for it twice.... that sounds like a pretty serious condition. Any problems that arose in Japan would not be good- people wouldn't know about it if you didn't declare it, there may be nobody who speaks English around etc. Your doctor in NZ may refuse to sign off on it.
The rest of it is stuff like lung x-rays, urine analysis etc. It's a pretty standard health check form.
Keep in mind that you may find difficulties getting your medication in Japan (and there is no such thing as doctor patient confidentiality, especially in a small town when it has to do with a foreigner who is a public employee). You may find you have to make a trip back to NZ to get more medication. |
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David W
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 457 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:54 am Post subject: |
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Japanese people are bi-polar too. My wife's doctor has done an excellent job of managing her bi-polar illness. People who say Japan is light years behind the West in terms of dealing with mental illness either don't know what they are talking about or are not seeing the right doctors.
To the OP, what has your doctor in NZ said about you going to Japan? If you've been hospitalized twice including once this year it sounds to me as if he'd be reluctant to sign off on you going overseas for an extended period. |
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Cubic09
Joined: 23 Aug 2009 Posts: 66 Location: Wellington, New Zealand
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:13 am Post subject: |
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I haven't discussed my travel plans with my doctor as yet, it's still early stages as I'm yet to apply for the JET programme. I honestly don't think her attesting to my health would be a problem, as for the most part medication precludes further bipolar episodes.
That's interesting about Japanese people receiving support for Bipolar illness too, I was under the distinct impression that most Asian cultures treated the subject as taboo and sufferers as lepers.
In terms of medication, I'm aware that Japanese immigration rules stipulate one month's supply of medication - I would either set myself up in Japan with a doctor or arrange for my present one to send my medication over on a regular basis. |
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David W
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 457 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:55 am Post subject: |
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I haven't discussed my travel plans with my doctor as yet, it's still early stages as I'm yet to apply for the JET programme. I honestly don't think her attesting to my health would be a problem, as for the most part medication precludes further bipolar episodes.
That's interesting about Japanese people receiving support for Bipolar illness too, I was under the distinct impression that most Asian cultures treated the subject as taboo and sufferers as lepers.
In terms of medication, I'm aware that Japanese immigration rules stipulate one month's supply of medication - I would either set myself up in Japan with a doctor or arrange for my present one to send my medication over on a regular basis. |
Well I'd be talking to her about it asap, doctors treating bi-polar tend to want to know things like that ime. The fact that you're feeling better now is great but don't let your guard down. I apologise for sounding preachy or condescending but I do speak from experience. As an example my wife made a unilateral decision to go off her meds earlier this year after 18 months of no symptoms , that decision pleased neither me or her doctor and predictably caused her to re-lapse.
Again, ime, discussion of my wife's bi-polar disorder with various people, including friends, neighbours, my kid's teachers etc has seen no negative reaction. At very worst I've seen indifference, most people are sympathetic and frequently relate stories of how their brother, aunt, classmate, co-worker etc are also bi-polar.
EDIT- Cubic, don't hesitate to contact me by PM if you have any things you'd like to discuss regarding your bi-polar that you might not want to talk about on the main forum. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| I haven't discussed my travel plans with my doctor as yet, it's still early stages as I'm yet to apply for the JET programme. |
Go the extra mile. Ask first. It might save you some grief later.
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| I honestly don't think her attesting to my health would be a problem, as for the most part medication precludes further bipolar episodes. |
No medication is 100% effective. "For the most part" is not 100%, either.
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| I would either set myself up in Japan with a doctor |
Be aware:
1. Your health insurance here may not cover the meds.
2. Your health insurance here will need to be Japan's national health insurance as of 2010, or you cannot renew a work visa.
3. Meds in Japan are usually a weaker dosage.
4. Your health insurance plan here may not cover you for a pre-existing ailment (usually won't), so you'd actually have to see a doctor here and get a completely initial workup and diagnosis.
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| or arrange for my present one to send my medication over on a regular basis. |
Have you checked with customs as to what is allowed?
http://www.customs.go.jp/english/summary/prohibit.htm
http://www.customs.go.jp/english/c-answer_e/imtsukan/1805_e.htm |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 2142 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| To my knowledge, your doctor can't send medication to you personally from NZ. What he/she can do is post a prescription to a designated person, who can then fill the prescription for you and then send over the meds, provided they are legal in Japan. |
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BigZen
Joined: 19 Aug 2009 Posts: 56 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Dear Cubic09,
I am sorry but I cannot give you any advice about what to do. I just wanted to write and thank both you and david W for writing about this subject. I have suffered from depression for years. I live in a rural area of Japan, so there are very few English speaking psychiatrists. I do see one really nice doctor, but his English is not good enough (and my Japanese is not nearly good enough) to do therapy-something which I have found extremely valuable. I see him once a month just to touch base and get my prescription refilled.
I saw an NHK documentary last month about mental illness in Japan. From what I could understand. it seems the number of people who suffer from mood disorders is very much underreported. One guest ran a support group that was very helpful. I asked my doctor if any such groups exist where I live. Unfortunately he said they are usually only in the Tokyo area.
Anyways, I am not an expert on the subject, just someone who knows what it's like to suffer from the illness. My wife is supportive and I have told a few foreign friends here. To tell you the truth I have never met a Japanese person who suffers from a mood disorder.
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Cubic09
Joined: 23 Aug 2009 Posts: 66 Location: Wellington, New Zealand
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:02 am Post subject: |
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Dear Cubic09,
I just wanted to write and thank both you and david W for writing about this subject. |
Pleasure. Mental illness is easy to talk about once it's out in the open...when I disclosed I suffered from depression in law class, everyone around me was already on medication!! That says a lot about law school
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| To tell you the truth I have never met a Japanese person who suffers from a mood disorder. |
Well, the Japanese are known to keep hush about things...isn't their suicide rate through the roof? That should tell you something - it's probably not talked about, let alone dealt with. Which is a true shame, as most mental illness responds well when treated. |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 2142 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think people with mood disorders here are swept under the rug- certainly not all of them. I know a few Japanese people who have suffered from severe depression and are on medication and now recovering- being a yoga teacher (I teach yoga part time) seems to invite that kind of confession! |
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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1546 Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Mental Illness & Japan |
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| Cubic09 wrote: |
My question is: how extensive are the medical tests that are performed in the application process? Will I be required to disclose my entire medical history?
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They want to know your entire medical history going back either 5 or 8 years (I forget which) and there is actually a section in the application you must sign which asks about any mental illnesses you have ever had as well. You need to either sign to say you have never had any or get your doctor to sign off that you are good to go.
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| I don't intend declaring this, as it has no bearing on my ability to perform the job. In NZ, you're only required to declare such illness if it does. |
I'm afraid that this is simply not going to work. There is only sign for never having had any issues, or supply details and get doctor's ok. There is no room for omission in the application form.
And since they make it known (in no uncertain terms) that any false declaration will immediately result in your app being trashed, you're just going to have to tell all and hope for the best.
Go see your doctor, get their approval, then give JET a shot. I really hope it all works out for you. |
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David W
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 457 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Cubic09,
I am sorry but I cannot give you any advice about what to do. I just wanted to write and thank both you and david W for writing about this subject. I have suffered from depression for years. I live in a rural area of Japan, so there are very few English speaking psychiatrists. I do see one really nice doctor, but his English is not good enough (and my Japanese is not nearly good enough) to do therapy-something which I have found extremely valuable. I see him once a month just to touch base and get my prescription refilled.
I saw an NHK documentary last month about mental illness in Japan. From what I could understand. it seems the number of people who suffer from mood disorders is very much underreported. One guest ran a support group that was very helpful. I asked my doctor if any such groups exist where I live. Unfortunately he said they are usually only in the Tokyo area.
Anyways, I am not an expert on the subject, just someone who knows what it's like to suffer from the illness. My wife is supportive and I have told a few foreign friends here. To tell you the truth I have never met a Japanese person who suffers from a mood disorder.
BZ |
You're not alone BZ, there's people out there who understand what you're going through. The PM offer I made to Cubic goes out to you too. |
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David W
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 457 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Well, the Japanese are known to keep hush about things...isn't their suicide rate through the roof? That should tell you something - it's probably not talked about, let alone dealt with. Which is a true shame, as most mental illness responds well when treated. |
It did take us a while and it was my mother in law who got us onto the bloke we go and see now, but he's brilliant. I go in to see him with my wife as much as my schedule allows (plus he gives me some great sleep meds). When we went in on Monday he pegged my wife straight away as entering a depressive phase, I hadn't even noticed, but sure enough he was right but thanks to his expertise the bottom out has been pretty shallow this time (thank god). So there are guys and gals out there who know what they're doing in Japan. Finding one who speaks English, now there's a challenge for you. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| BigZen wrote: |
| I saw an NHK documentary last month about mental illness in Japan. From what I could understand. it seems the number of people who suffer from mood disorders is very much underreported. |
I'm not surprised.
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| To tell you the truth I have never met a Japanese person who suffers from a mood disorder. |
Well, I've met 2 and one of them was a coworker. Both were probably diagnosed with depression (I didn't know them well enough to ask). One is still undergoing therapy, and the other was a teacher who spent a whole year going to work but not teaching a single class that year. Just showed up and sat around the teachers' lounge all day speaking to nobody. |
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BigZen
Joined: 19 Aug 2009 Posts: 56 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Hi David W,
Thanks for the offer to contact you. Unfortunately the rules of this forum are that a member must have posted 5 messages before he/she can contact someone by PM. Could you please PM me?
Thanks,
BigZen |
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