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tamiii



Joined: 19 Aug 2009
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Location: Louisiana

PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:16 pm    Post subject: Aspiring to teach in Mexico Reply with quote

I would like to teach in Mexico.
The thing is.. where do I start? Where do I look for work? Is it best to just go there and hope to find something, or find a job online, or just freelance? idk.
I've been looking at teaching jobs online and it looks like there isn't many options available right now. Is it just the wrong time of year?
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Oreen Scott



Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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Location: Oaxaca, Mexico

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What education and training do you have?

Mexico is a big country. Where in Mexico would you like to live and work?
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tamiii



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a couple years of college under my belt. I want to get some experience before I complete my degree to see if it's really what I want to do.
Is that possible?
I'm not really sure of where I want to live/work. Just anywhere that isn't a bad area I guess.
I just really want to know the best way of going about getting a job.
I've heard it's a good idea to go in person, but it scares me to leave here without having a job already secured in Mexico.
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Oreen Scott



Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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Location: Oaxaca, Mexico

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try Berlitz or Hamond Hall. They are chains that I believe prefer people without training or experience. That's so they can train to their methods.

Both have web sites that will give you plenty of information.
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tamiii



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you.
I will contact them and see if any jobs are available.
If they are no longer hiring, are there any other schools you might suggest?
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Prof.Gringo



Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tamiii wrote:
Thank you.
I will contact them and see if any jobs are available.
If they are no longer hiring, are there any other schools you might suggest?


Hello!

A job search in Mexico is nothing like looking for a job in the States.

Harmon Hall and Berlitz are franchises. Each branch is different in respect to pay, conditions and who they will/won't hire.

Almost nobody will give you a job offer if you are in the US. You need to be in Mexico.

Do you have a TEFL? That's the first question any decent school will ask. Even if they have a training program many places want to see that you already have some training aka TEFL. Schools like Harmon Hall, Interlingua, Berlitz, Quick Learning all have unpaid training programs that last up to one month full-time.
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geaaronson



Joined: 19 Apr 2005
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:02 pm    Post subject: advice Reply with quote

I would recommend waiting until the first week of December to come here and look for a job. The way most of us did it was just to come down here and start looking. If you go to Mexico City, there are a lot of opportunities for morning classes but you will have to scrounge around and network for evening classes.
I would recommend finishing your degree first and then getting your TEFL certification. That will put you in a much stronger position for getting more work.
The educational recruiters are desperate for people for a.m. classes in DF but that will get you 6 or 8 hours a week at the most. Then you have to fill out the rest of the day and that will take some hustling. Check www.computrabajo.com.mx for job listings. That�s a good start. You will not be able to get a position without showing your face.
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sarliz



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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Location: Jalisco

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was hiring, I posted a job ad on www.eslemployment.com, and got a lot of responses, which turned into one wonderful teacher coming down and working for me, and one dud. It might be a good site to poke around while you're still in the states. That being said, I really can't imagine a school hiring anyone without a degree, TEFL, or experience, especially online. Definitely not anyone you would want to work for.
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tamiii



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never said that I didn't have anything to qualify me. I'm not trying to get a job with nothing to offer here.
I just came to these forums thinking someone could help me, but it seems like all I get from you guys are criticism.
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sarliz



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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Location: Jalisco

PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't mean to imply that you don't have anything to qualify you for the a potential job, I was just trying to warn you of the sketchiness of any schools that would hire someone w/out a 1. degree 2. a TEFL cert 3. experience and 4. sight unseen. I have no idea if that's your case or not. You should just stay away from schools like that if it is indeed your situation.
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lennon146



Joined: 03 Nov 2004
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Location: Latin America

PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen several people get hired in Mexico City without a degree or teaching certificate. If you are a native speaker of English, well-presented, well-spoken, and with good 'people skills' - that goes a heck of a long way. Schools just jump on the marketing opportunities if they can boast 'native speakers'.

As for Tamiii, I agree that your best bet of getting decent work anywhere in Mexico is to be down here. You need only come for a couple of weeks, go looking around and hand out your CV. In Mexico City there are jobs available year round, except for the private high schools who tend to hire ahead of the school year.

Please do NOT accept a job that pays $2850 a month (re: your post on Chiapas). That is a rip off. I think we can all agree on that. Don't think that just because the cost of living is cheaper in Mexico that you should accept something like that.
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gregd75



Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 360
Location: Tlaquepaque, Jalisco

PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:57 pm    Post subject: Advice... Reply with quote

Fisrt of all- Good Luck! I think that you've made a good decision in deciding to come to Mexico to teach. In my experience, Mexico is a wonderful country with great weather, lovely community and (I guess depending on the school you work for) has great students keen to learn English.

I read through your post and noted Sarliz comments - I think as you haven't mentioned any TEFL training in your posts, she was just trying to point out that certification is really essential. At the very least it prepares you for classes, but it also puts you ahead of a lot of people here in Mexico who think that speaking English means teaching English will be easy. Not so!

Secondly, I think Daves esl cafe is absoultely the best place to be looking for a position. Employers have to pay for their advertisements, so lots of schools don't use Daves for exactly this reason. I think you are going to find good positions posted here. As a recruiter myself, I really like to use this forum as I have gotten good quality teachers in the past.

An advantage point that you may have is your flexibility and willingness to start ASAP. The school year has started now, so schools really should have completed their recruitment cycle. But, what if a teacher doesn't work out? Thats where you could step-in!! If you do have the flexibility to start almost immediately, I would keep looking on webpages such as this one and when you see something, really emphasise the point that you can start now!

Another place for you to consider looking is on the MEXTESOL website. www.mextesol.org.mx They are an English teachers organisation, part of the worldwide TESOL organisation and they have a small recruitment section on their webpage.

Finally, if you don't have a TEFL qualification, I strongly agree with Sarliz and would suggest getting one become your priority. There's a company calles Teachers International, based in Mexico City that offers a range of courses. Again, I have hired teachers from TI and have found them to be very good teachers (Which makes me think the program is good...) and Guy (who regularly posts here too) helps teachers to find a position. This could help you a lot too as he has a lot of contacts throughout the country I guess!

I hope this helps you, and wherever you end up here in Mexico, probably pay won't be great but the experience should be rewarding.
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Prof.Gringo



Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lennon146 wrote:
I've seen several people get hired in Mexico City without a degree or teaching certificate. If you are a native speaker of English, well-presented, well-spoken, and with good 'people skills' - that goes a heck of a long way. Schools just jump on the marketing opportunities if they can boast 'native speakers'.

As for Tamiii, I agree that your best bet of getting decent work anywhere in Mexico is to be down here. You need only come for a couple of weeks, go looking around and hand out your CV. In Mexico City there are jobs available year round, except for the private high schools who tend to hire ahead of the school year.

Please do NOT accept a job that pays $2850 a month (re: your post on Chiapas). That is a rip off. I think we can all agree on that. Don't think that just because the cost of living is cheaper in Mexico that you should accept something like that.


Your comments on getting a job in Mexico ring true, in some respects. Better schools and employers will always ask for a minimum of a decent on-site TEFL course. Business classes often don't require a TEFL, FM-3 or much else for that matter.

If somebody wants to get a FM-3 (temp. residency visa which can be endorsed for work) they need to show something to INM (Mexican Immigration) besides their passport.

Having a TEFL is really the minimum to enter into the ESL market as a teacher. In places like Mexico City there are many native speakers. Just being a native speaker will probably get you a job, maybe not what you want, but a job.
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Phil_K



Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Location: A World of my Own

PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If somebody wants to get a FM-3 (temp. residency visa which can be endorsed for work) they need to show something to INM (Mexican Immigration) besides their passport.


But that something can just be an offer from a company at times. BTW, joining the "certificate v no certificate" debate, I'd rather hire someone like myself with years of experience than a newbie with a certificate. Having said that, it is a good stepping stone, and Mexico is obsessed with pieces of paper!
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_K wrote:
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If somebody wants to get a FM-3 (temp. residency visa which can be endorsed for work) they need to show something to INM (Mexican Immigration) besides their passport.


But that something can just be an offer from a company at times. BTW, joining the "certificate v no certificate" debate, I'd rather hire someone like myself with years of experience than a newbie with a certificate. Having said that, it is a good stepping stone, and Mexico is obsessed with pieces of paper!


Experience counts for a lot. I don't doubt that. But a newbie needs something to show they have been trained and are commited to the TEFL industry. All too often backpacker types show up at schools eager to work, but then take off after a few paychecks. That gives a bad reputation for newbie foreign ESL teachers looking for work in Mexico. Old hands like ourselves have proven that we've been around a while and have staying power.

Mexico is obsessed with "pieces of paper" especially Mexican ESL teachers. Many Mexican TEFL courses run 240 hours and often Mexican teachers have several such courses under their belts.
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