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doogs09



Joined: 21 Aug 2009
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Location: Zhongshan

PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:37 pm    Post subject: Deportation? Reply with quote

Okay then, does anyone have any first hand experience of deportation? None of this 'I heard of a guy' or 'a friend of a friend' stuff. I read all the time about the dangers of deportation when working on an L visa, but I've yet to read or hear about anyone who has actually been deported for it.

If your working for a school on an L visa, then the school has as much to lose as you do, they are after all knowingly employing you illegally. My own experience was that I was lied to by the school to get me over quickly, they said I could come over on an L and have it converted when they knew that was impossible. They did however take copies of my passport and asked for passport size photographs because they had to register me at the local police station, and when I moved apartment I had to register a new, closer police station. The apartments I and my colleagues, about half of whom were working on L visas lived in were supplied by the local government, not the school, and we were all regularly invited to dinner with the Mayor and Education Department officials, so the local government certainly knew we were working and not just sight seeing.

Based on my personal experience then, not just the opinions and anecdotal evidence of people on these and other boards, the only drawback to working on an L visa is the added expense of regular Hong Kong visa runs, which I like doing anyway, as I get two or three paid days off work and it's only a couple of hours away and I love visiting HK.
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mike w



Joined: 26 May 2004
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Location: Beijing building site

PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your residential status has nothing to do with your visa type. Anyone, irrespective of visa type, is required to register where they living, unless in a hotel, where the hotel does it for you.

Incidentally, the chances are that the teacher would get into deeper trouble than the school, simply because the school may have 'connections' within local government and / or PSB.
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chinatwin88



Joined: 31 Aug 2009
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Location: Peking

PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Okay then, does anyone have any first hand experience of deportation?


No one that I know of and the element of proof is always to a post on web boards like this.
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Teatime of Soul



Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone got proof that standing in he path of a speeding train can be dangerous? I'm not talking newspaper accounts, friend of a friend accounts or coroner's inquests. I'm talking personal proof!

Just as I suspected. Nobody here can offer proof it is dangerous to stand in font of a speeding train.

Seriously, there have been several posters here these last year or two that posted their goodbye posts on his forum. One could look it up (if one were inclined to believe them).

But the ones who come over, after being told it might be risky, and then flame out. They don't seem inclined to post much about being deported.

Do your due diligence and the odds are greatly in your favor.

I have never known anyone who did proper due diligence, (talking with current and former teachers, license checking, etc.) who had a negative experience.



In he end, you have to decide what level of risk taking is right for you.
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chinatwin88



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have never known anyone who did proper due diligence, (talking with current and former teachers, license checking, etc.) who had a negative experience.


I do. Plenty. There are no guarantees in China.


That is not to say �don�t take due diligence� but remember this is a rumour board with only few who actually know from seeing with their own eyes or hearing with their own ears. I have seen repeated post that working on a F visa is illegal and at a PSB meeting last week the rep stated (in Chinese) that working or going to school on an F for less than 6 months was Kosher. Most of the stories you read are 2nd or 3rd (to the nith degree) telling or information has been related through a Chinese significant other or employee, neither being reliable sources. Working on an L would be at best temporary and working on an F would be limited to a time frame that is within the regulations, but no one can predict the outcome of employment in China and no visa, planning, interviews or RP will make this happen. Ls can and are converted to Zs, (I do know of this personality) Working while waiting on conversion seems to be allowed.
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