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ThaneKerner
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
The problem is that I have never heard of most of your "allowances." Have you ever heard of any employer offering a
laundry allowance
storage allowance
food allowance
teaching materials allowance
health insurance allowance
visa allowance
and I've only ever heard once of a:
plane ticket allowance
Then the allowances that are standard like:
Rent allowance
utilities
transport
school allowance for kids
.. are way too high in your example.
So... I'm not sure what you are trying to prove other than the fact that recruiters are not a good way to get a job because they are siphoning off part of what would be your income if you were a direct hire.
And everyone knows that. 
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You've not heard of them yet.
Add a massage allowance. And a headgear allowance for the ladies.
My point was, for those who missed it:
(Add: Remember it was for grins)
Agencies possibly attract new people using the allowances. Allowances that may not mean squat for income. They end up being costs if the company provides everything. |
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ThaneKerner
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Cleopatra wrote: |
... and I'm still waiting to hear just who is offering $300 a month for utilities.
Believe me, I really do want to know. |
If you want to know that badly, perhaps you can tell one of the mods here to take note of my ISP address and hack into my computer while I'll checking my emails. Maybe I'll be contacting one of those places when I get hacked.
Give it shot. It may work. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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It seems to me that rather than posting all this... um... creative writing... which was rather misleadingly as if you had received this rather bizarre offer, you could have posted one line. You could have posted it as the title of the thread.
Recruiters take part of your salary
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ThaneKerner
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
Recruiters take part of your salary
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You don't say, Sherlock. Gee, I would have never guessed. Tell us something else we don't know. And do be condescening about it. |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:47 am Post subject: |
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To ask a genuine question:
Is it not true that in at least some cases recruitment agencies' commission is a % of the employee's salary? In which case it would be in their interest to ensure you get as high, rather than as low, a salary as possible. Of course, in the case of agencies hiring large amounts of people for the same job, who are earning pretty much the same salary, this may not apply. |
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ThaneKerner
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| Cleopatra wrote: |
To ask a genuine question:
Is it not true that in at least some cases recruitment agencies' commission is a % of the employee's salary? In which case it would be in their interest to ensure you get as high, rather than as low, a salary as possible. Of course, in the case of agencies hiring large amounts of people for the same job, who are earning pretty much the same salary, this may not apply. |
Interesting question. I've thought of this too. If an agency does take a cut from an employee's salary each month, that would explain why agencies take their time in getting teachers legal work visas. They would want to milk said employees for as long as possible. They'll advertise free this and free that to lure you, when in the end, they get all that repaid from what they make off you.
Poster Cleopatra has stated before to get all promises about the Iqama in writing. She called it. Don't put up with the sob-story excuses of agencies who want to milk you over several months after telling you you'd have the iqama three weeks after starting work.
On another, related note--It's obviously in the best interest of the agencies to have high turnover. They get a fee for placement ( I think ) beyond a monthly kickback, sure. But if a teacher leaves before he gets his iqama, he can be replaced by a yet another new guy. None of the agencies ' employees will attract too much attention from Saudi immigration, as those employees will all be relatively 'new' at all times and thus be 'short term' workers. |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| If an agency does take a cut from an employee's salary each month, that would explain why agencies take their time in getting teachers legal work visas. |
No - that's not what I said.
What I said is that some agencies take a % of the employee's salary, or perhaps a month or half month's salary in commission. It's a once-off payment, not paid in installments. I'm no expert on such matters, but I've never heard of an employment agency getting paid by the month.
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| None of the agencies ' employees will attract too much attention from Saudi immigration, as those employees will all be relatively 'new' at all times and thus be 'short term' workers. |
??? |
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ThaneKerner
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:51 am Post subject: |
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No - that's not what I said. |
It's what I said. But this is because I don't know. I'm speculating and hoping my suspicions aren't anything close to reality.
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What I said is that some agencies take a % of the employee's salary, or perhaps a month or half month's salary in commission. It's a once-off payment, not paid in installments. I'm no expert on such matters, but I've never heard of an employment agency getting paid by the month. |
The university pays the salary to the agency who then pays the teacher. I'm trying to find out if the amount the teacher gets each month is less than the amount the agency gets.
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| None of the agencies ' employees will attract too much attention from Saudi immigration, as those employees will all be relatively 'new' at all times and thus be 'short term' workers. |
Simple. If the teachers are leaving in droves, the collective experience is low. No one teacher will have been at his job for very long. He'd be just like a temp employee, with a visa to match. |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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| The university pays the salary to the agency who then pays the teacher |
Does this happen? As far as I know teachers who are recruited by agencies get paid directly by the college/institution they work for in KSA, not the agency.
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| He'd be just like a temp employee, with a visa to match |
In the eyes of the Saudi authorities, we are all 'temp employees'. As for visas, you get one before you enter the country, valid for 90 days. You then get an igama which is renewed every year. You don't get any new visa in your passport. Also, it costs employers a lot of time, money and effort to get visas and igamas for foreign staff. Any agency which recruits staff who leave every few months will not keep its contract long, as this rate of turnover is not in the employer's interests. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| ThaneKerner wrote: |
| veiledsentiments wrote: |
Recruiters take part of your salary
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You don't say, Sherlock. Gee, I would have never guessed. Tell us something else we don't know. And do be condescening about it. |
Exactly... which is why I am still wondering what was the point of the whole page of previous long posts from you... all fictional offers... which would be very misleading to any newbie passing through.
I think what you are doing is creating a strawman, instead of trying to discuss what is actually happening in the recruiter system.
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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I agree.
Even as a seasoned user of this board, it took me a while to figure out that the OP was, for reasons best known to himself, talking in very hypothetical terms here. A newcomer might well start dreaming of $300 utilities allowances, only to get very confused indeed later on. |
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Kipling
Joined: 13 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject: Always read the Sanity Clause... Aint no such Person |
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| TK: Your posts are starting to sound negative... |
They are indeed very reminiscent of a certain Messieurs Rigel and Electric,
I wonder if, by any chance, they are related????
Lovely Time of the Year over here in dear, old, bloody old Himavant
Best Wishes to all the vets on this civil and civilized Board.
Yours Sir Mr K. 
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Lost; One slightly soiled Avatar of Mr Jimmy Clitheroe. Reward offered for its return. |
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Pikgitina
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Always read the Sanity Clause... Aint no such Person |
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| Kipling wrote: |
They are indeed very reminiscent of a certain Messieurs Rigel and Electric,
I wonder if, by any chance, they are related???? |
I'm glad someone asked! |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| They are indeed very reminiscent of a certain Messieurs Rigel and Electric, |
The offering of 'advice' based on zero knowledge; detailed discussion of elaborate hypothetical scenarios; a combative approach to situations which do not even exist.... I suspect a lot of people are thinking what you're thinking. |
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Kipling
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:08 pm Post subject: One Good deed................ |
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Agh Mr P you have magically enabled my avatar to reclaim its rightful place.
A Flagon of Camels Milk is on its way even as I type.
I remain, as ever, Mr K
Please Note:
The word Camels is used here in the plural form and an APOSTROPHE has therefore been omitted |
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