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[roywebcafe]

If you want to know about taking the piss read my post on Police clearance checks regarding overseas work in this forum. This is about a demand made by teaching agencies which also provide Adult ESOL work

[kserasera]

I make 9 pounds an hour, and to be honest when i factor in the cost of living in this city etc - I made more money and enjoyed my quality of life in Istanbul a lot more.

[sharter]

LSI Portsmouth about 17 quid and hour.
BEET Bournemouth about 16 quid and hour.

I couldn't care less as I work on a 6 and 3 rotation in the oil field teaching adults on a good salary with all expenses paid.

From what I've seen of UK language schools, they're full of women whose husbands have better jobs....oh and summer school backpackers who couldn't care less cos they're at it with all the students for a couple of months before heading off somewhere else.

[Will.]

Here is something you might like to cut and paste and send back to the colleges you think pay too little.
Well I think it about time we started to expose the language schools we all so love to deride to the other side of the coin to those institutions flouting the tightwaddedness of the cheapskates by making an offer simply expecting us to work for much more than they do.



For this money I might apply myself

From jobs.ac.uk.
Those offering a decent wage this day...

LSBU

English Language Development Support Classes
Centre for Learning Support & Development

http://www.jobs.ac.uk/jobs/JZ068/Hourly_Paid_Lecturers/


�42.63 per hour

Cover teacher

Now weep.

[Persuasion]

I found this the other day - a real slagging off for the private EFL schools in the UK, which compares teaching EFL in the UK to playing football in the third division.

http://tefltradesman.blogspot.com/2009/09/play-tefl-and-enjoy-life-in-3rd.html

Plenty of food for thought, anyway. I must say I just might follow the advice given - become a 'real' teacher and work in a state school, and thus make a proper living instead of the 11 quid an hour (330 a week!) my current boss thinks I'm worth.

[SueH]

Slightly inaccurate only insofar as the fact that 3rd division football in the UK is sometimes watched by crowds of above 20000, and players are on thousands a week. I'd have said it's more like the women's football league I used to play in where we bought our own kit and paid match subs.

[sharter]

Women's football? What's that?

[SueH]

I do hope you aren't a teacher.

[mozzar]

For those teaching in the UK: do you have a CELTA or a masters? I'd agree that if you have a masters you should be able to earn as much as a state school teacher but if you only have a CELTA there's no reason you should be paid as much as you haven't had to do half the work that state school teachers have required.

A months training for a job doesn't really qualify you for any exceptional wage, especially not when you're in a market such as the British ESL one.

[Persuasion]

I agree with you, Mozzar. But I think you'll find that many EFL teachers with Diplomas, Masters and even PGCEs are currently working for less than 15 quid an hour - which is actually LESS than I earned in London around 12 YEARS AGO!!

[sharter]

The key things are ability and experience. The point about EFL is that you don't get paid any more for having tonnes of either.

I don't agree that a PGCE qualified teacher should necessarily earn more...it should be based on competency and experience.

I didn't do an MA because I looked at various courses and found that many where simply a load of 'normative' tosh.

PGCEs require lots of practical input which is nothing more than experience.

I've taught in state schools, EFL schools, universities and companies and the most creative teachers I've ever seen have been EFL teachers.

Let's face it; most of the paperwork you have in state schools is a load of tosh and guiding students through exams which get easier every year is hardly something worth shouting about. Let's not even mention the holidays state school teachers get or the pension schemes.

I have no complaints as I work in an oil company training centre and earn quite a lot, but I've heard that 'when are you going to become a real teacher' bull for 15 years and no-one has yet explained to me why a French teacher in the UK should be treated differently to an English language teacher in the UK.

Then again...teachers can be a snotty bunch of Guardian reading know-it-alls can't they?

[mozzar]

[sharter]

Competency and experience are worth so much more than having a piece of paper.

Learning about Chomsky, Krashen and Prahbu will not make you a more effective teacher. Reading about debates between Cognitivists and Behaviouralists is interesting, but again won't make you more competent in the classroom. Some teachers can get as many pieces of paper as you can possibly accumulate, but they are still 'poor' educators. Spending tonnes of money on your education doesn't mean you deserve a higher salary; by that rationale just about anyone who went to private school isn't earning enough! Teachers who perform well should be paid more. The question is;what criteria do you use to measure performance?

GCEs (old A-levels) are without a doubt easier than they were. I left school in 1988 and the cleverest chap at our school, currently an Oxford Professor, only took four A-levels. Now people take 5 and 6 and get A grades in everything. In my day that was rare indeed and I went to a major league UK public school. Therefore teachers should be judged on something more than exam results and that's where experience comes in and the state school pay spine.

No doubt it's a complex issue worth the debate, but why should someone teaching French get paid more than someone teaching English? Answer that. Let's face it;teaching in state school you just follow a curriculum and the course books are there on lists, so you won't have much of a say in the approach you use as that will be largely determined by the coursebooks and syllabus.

I wish all teachers got paid more. Amen.

[Phil_b]

[mozzar]