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chinatwin88



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While you may paint my statement as horse hockey, I have indicate money is an important factor and it has nothing to do with Buckland or any accusation of skimming. I have no information that he is skimming and if you do please post this info.

As far as working for a pittance, if you had paid more than just a emotional response to the words that were written, you would have seen that it is all about the money and not about working for a pittance whither or not the academics are up to an FT's standard, expectably one that has no teaching certificate. It is after all, all about the money and to be accused of being corrupt for being concerned about the bottom line is the direction EG took this thread.
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thefuzz



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chinatwin88 wrote:
While you may paint my statement as horse hockey, I have indicate money is an important factor and it has nothing to do with Buckland or any accusation of skimming. I have no information that he is skimming and if you do please post this info.

As far as working for a pittance, if you had paid more than just a emotional response to the words that were written, you would have seen that it is all about the money and not about working for a pittance whither or not the academics are up to an FT's standard, expectably one that has no teaching certificate. It is after all, all about the money and to be accused of being corrupt for being concerned about the bottom line is the direction EG took this thread.


Exactly. I for one don't teach ESL because I contribute greatly to society or am an "academic" as some see themselves. I work for an English training center that runs the "school" as a business and it operates to make money. I teach classes and I get paid for it, so for me it's all about the cash I make...I don't really care who I work for, all they need to do is pay me on time. I figured a long time ago that not many institutions in China REALLY care about the quality of their curriculum and so forth...so why should I lie to myself?

Anyway, if one looks to work for a true learning institution one should be properly qualified and look beyond the borders of China...such institutions here are few and far between. I would say Hong Kong is a great option for someone who wants to invest in their qualifications and reap the rewards...but not in China.

So, yeah, I might be a corrupt teacher as EB puts it.
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alter ego



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thefuzz wrote:
It's a good starting salary, but you have to factor in that it was quoted BEFORE tax...so write an e-mail to EF and ask them how much in tax you will be paying. Since they don't offer an accommodation allowance as part of the salary, you'll be paying quite a bit. Just find out for sure what your AFTER TAX salary is like.

I'd guess the OP�s net to be around 11K per month, give or take a few yuan.

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A brand new 2-bedroom apartment in the Nanshan area will set you back around 3000 to 4000 rmb per month and utilities (power, water, phone, internet and gas) are not included in the rent.

My wife and I rented a nice, fairly-new studio apartment (35 square meters) on the Nanshan/Shekou border near Walmart, fully furnished with a giant flat screen TV for 2,300 rmb monthly, plus around 600 yuan for utilities that included gas, water, garbage, and maintenance/management fee.

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Remember that when you're renting an apartment you will have to pay, up front, 2 months deposit and one month rent...so make sure to have enough starting cash to cover this (plus living expenses for the first month). Also, if you use an agent to find your apartment, you will have to pay their agency fee.

Good advice. We rented directly from the owner and saved the agency finder's fee. That was just over two years ago though and Shenzhen seems to have a lot more foreigners competing for the nicer direct apt. deals.

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Daily life costs can be high as well--when you factor in transportation and food for a day (plus if you're a drinker, you'll spend loads in bars).

I spent 4 rmb per day roundtrip to take the bus to my first job, and sometimes spent 6 yuan when I took the bus to my second gig on the same day. There were taxi days but few and far between. My wife and I shopped for groceries at Walmart and a foreign-foods specialty store in Shekou, and we did much of our cooking at home. Average monthly food bill (both eating in and dining out) was around 2,500 rmb per month.

I'd estimate the OP's possible cash-in-hand after monthly rent and basic living expenses (food and travel) to be around 6K rmb. That's a decent chunk of change in China, almost an entire month's salary for average teachers in Thailand, for instance.
As others have noted, how much he has to spend and how much he saves depends on his lifestyle and how he chooses to spend his hard-earned money. Wink


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Mr. P



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, I guess that if you just work for the money then you/anyone else who does is just a "Dancing Monkey"?

Have you ever seen/listened to this - http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjUzNTczNjg=.html

The 40 minute 40 second mark is revealing in regards to character.

Should a "teacher" back down because his/her boss wants to use their photo in an ad without their permission?

My students are so proud that China is part of the WTO. I, on the other hand, do enjoy buying bootlegged DVD's.

A dichotomy? Eh?

As a "native" American, I have no clue what "Eh" means. Perhaps a "bloke" out there can enlighten me.
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Mr. P



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I spent 4 rmb per day roundtrip to take the bus to my first job, and sometimes spent 6 yuan when I took the bus to my second gig on the same day"

If we are "professionals", why do some have to work 2 jobs?

14k rmb a month = 2k USD a month, if that.

Factor in all of the bus rides etc.. and soon 40 hours will creep up soon.

I guess there is a reason for such pompous brethren calling the pigs.
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vikuk



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My wife and I rented a nice, fairly-new studio apartment (35 square meters) on the Nanshan/Shekou border near Walmart, fully furnished with a giant flat screen TV for 2,300 rmb monthly, plus around 600 yuan for utilities that included gas, water, garbage, and maintenance/management fee

35 sq,m - wow that's pretty small - you were able to cram 2 people a tolet/bathroom, kitchen and giant TV-screen into that space???????????????
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Mr. P



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is beautiful -

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjg1NzI5Mg==.html

Mr. P
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BucklandPatrick



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, what happened to that topic is that I posted too long of a reply (which is apparently against forum rules, unbeknowst to me at the time) which causes it to be deleted. Of course, I didn't want this to happen to due to all the effort of creating said long reply. So anyways, what's this about me skimming off the top friend? If you have something to say to me, say it to my face kiddo.
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Mr. P



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say - your name isn't really Patrick, kid.

Tell me to my face that you are not just an aberration of the powers that be, "kiddo".

I'll come to Yangshuo, if you buy me a rt flight, and say "it" to your face.
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Mr. P



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Actually, what happened to that topic is that I posted too long of a reply (which is apparently against forum rules, unbeknowst to me at the time) which causes it to be deleted"

If that is the case, why is it that I was able to read your bullshit, respond, read my response and then suddenly be unable to read the topic?

Please enlighten me.
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Mr. P



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What galls me the most about living/working in China is/are the lies.

If it weren't for the little *beep* Sky with Odar, I would have probably been a sucker in Yangshuo this past summer. I did have a good time there, on my own, and must type that it felt very good telling Sky to kiss my ass.

4k for 1 month. Just like the Bear, I make more than 10k a month and don't really need "Bucklands" support. My 1st job paid 6k.

A sucker is born every day. All I want is for Pat to visit me.

I wonder why "Patrick" has surfaced now?

Perhaps he is growing tired of the weak Yangshou scene. Drunk foreigners hanging out till day break. Wow! What a life.

It's the truth. Yangshuo is for the dogs.
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Mr. P



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I declare that the following supports my claim that a "raw nerve" was struck and that those who "replied" felt inferior, in some way, and therefore responded with their petty claims.

"chinatwin88 wrote:
While you may paint my statement as horse hockey, I have indicate money is an important factor and it has nothing to do with Buckland or any accusation of skimming. I have no information that he is skimming and if you do please post this info.

As far as working for a pittance, if you had paid more than just a emotional response to the words that were written, you would have seen that it is all about the money and not about working for a pittance whither or not the academics are up to an FT's standard, expectably one that has no teaching certificate. It is after all, all about the money and to be accused of being corrupt for being concerned about the bottom line is the direction EG took this thread.

The Pigs typed -

"Exactly. I for one don't teach ESL because I contribute greatly to society or am an "academic" as some see themselves. I work for an English training center that runs the "school" as a business and it operates to make money. I teach classes and I get paid for it, so for me it's all about the cash I make...I don't really care who I work for, all they need to do is pay me on time. I figured a long time ago that not many institutions in China REALLY care about the quality of their curriculum and so forth...so why should I lie to myself?

Anyway, if one looks to work for a true learning institution one should be properly qualified and look beyond the borders of China...such institutions here are few and far between. I would say Hong Kong is a great option for someone who wants to invest in their qualifications and reap the rewards...but not in China.

So, yeah, I might be a corrupt teacher as EB puts it."

Until both Chinatwin and the Pig can proudly proclaim that they are "Dancing Monkey's", they will never win.

Touche.

Have a nice day.

Yunqi
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Mr. P



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I have no information that he is skimming and if you do please post this info."

Why?

Why don't you tell me mighty one?

Please, kiss my ass Chinatwin, Evaforsure, CJ.

I must type - I do enjoy battles like these. It keeps my senses sharp.
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Mr. P



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our BJ "hog" rider typed -

"I have indicate money is an important factor."

"... it is all about the money..."

"...It is after all, all about the money and to be accused of being corrupt for being concerned about the bottom line is ..."

The Pig typed -

"...I work for an English training center that runs the "school" as a business and it operates to make money. I teach classes and I get paid for it, so for me it's all about the cash ..."

"...I figured a long time ago that not many institutions in China REALLY care about the quality of their curriculum and so forth...so why should I lie to myself? "

Finally, Mr. Fuzz's statement above wraps it up.

So much for the "real" teachers out there. What do you think Chinatwin?

Yunqi
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. P has been banned. Anyone involved in continuing this argument on any other thread will also be banned including their iSP. Guaranteed. I mean ANYONE.
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