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Do you get paid in Saudi Riyals or US Dollars?
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Spinoza



Joined: 17 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:19 pm    Post subject: SAR or USD? Reply with quote

Hi. Sorry if this is common (I searched), but I've been offered a job in the KSA that pays in USD. Just wondered how commonplace it is.

The USD is expected to fall, which is a shame, but the salary is pretty high and it seems a good gig, so I'm happy.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Spinoza,

For all practical purposes, there's no difference since the riyal is pegged to the dollar.

In June 1986, the riyal was officially pegged to the IMF's Special Drawing Rights (SDRs). In practice, it is fixed at 1 U.S. dollar = 3.75 riyals, which translates to approximately 1 riyal = 0.266667 dollar. This rate was made official on January 1, 2003.
The riyal briefly rose to a 20-year high after the Federal Reserve cut interest rates on September 18, 2007 and the Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency chose not to follow suit, partially due to concerns about the inflationary effects low interest rates and a lower value for the riyal. The riyal returned to its peg against the U.S. dollar in early December of 2007.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_riyal

And, if you don't like wiki:

"The Barclays bundles are more complex. The first is the Asian and Gulf Currency Revaluation ETN (PGD). This ETN includes currencies of the Saudi Arabian riyal, Hong Kong dollar, United Arab Emirates dirham, Singaporean dollar and Chinese yuan. All these currencies are welcome additions to our list of investing options. They are all, also, pegged to the U.S. dollar, at least according to Barclays. This is certainly true of the Saudi riyal."

http://seekingalpha.com/article/82769-currency-bundles-pegged-to-the-dollar


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John
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Cleopatra



Joined: 28 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The USD is expected to fall, which is a shame, but the salary is pretty high and it seems a good gig, so I'm happy.


The continued fall of the US$ is not good news for those of us with savings in pounds or, especially, Euros. There was some talk recently of the Gulf states considering dropping the $ peg, though they all swiftly denied this (which doesn't mean it's not true). Stay tuned!
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleopatra wrote:
Stay tuned!


But, DON'T hold yer breath...

NCTBA
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The Lathe of Heaven



Joined: 02 Sep 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I calculate all my earnings in Canadian dollars anyways so if the US dollar goes below the Canadian then I'll start to worry.

TLOH
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also in saudi



Joined: 26 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone waiting to convert pounds or euros to US dollars should welcome a temporary fall of the dollar.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those of us who spend in the Eurozone life has become harder as a result of the exchange rate between US $ and Euro. Nothing we can do about it though - and at my advanced age I will not be looking for a new carer path - or a new employer !
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Nochasauras



Joined: 16 May 2009
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Location: jubail, KSA

PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleopatra wrote:
Quote:
The USD is expected to fall, which is a shame, but the salary is pretty high and it seems a good gig, so I'm happy.


The continued fall of the US$ is not good news for those of us with savings in pounds or, especially, Euros. There was some talk recently of the Gulf states considering dropping the $ peg, though they all swiftly denied this (which doesn't mean it's not true). Stay tuned!


i agree, russia, china, iran, and OPEC all held secret talks, reps from China and one or more of the gulf states leaked the info, thus the denial.
This could be an omen of the future. with the riyal pegged, this means that all saudi oil is sold in US dollars, therefore interests within the kingdom have accumulated much of it, and with the collapse be it slow or swift of the US dollar, i'm sure saudi will want to get rid of as much of their new toilet paper as possible. The gov't could be giving schools incentives to pay foreign workers in US dollars, knowing the general population still has the mindset that the US dollar is king. If you sign a 12-24mth contract with the clause, "salary to be paid in US dollars" and the collapse comes swifly, i hope you will be hoarding gold with ur fat salary while it lasts.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The gov't could be giving schools incentives to pay foreign workers in US dollars, knowing the general population still has the mindset that the US dollar is king."

Simply not true. Speculation based on no knowledge of how the Saudi econiomy functions. Dollars do not circulate widely in Saudi Arabia. They are available at banks and Bureaux de Change but they are not and never have been an alternative means of exchange.
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Citizenkane



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it even legal for Saudi companies (or schools or whatever) to pay workers in any currency other than Saudi rials? I don't think it is.

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the general population still has the mindset that the US dollar is king


Scot is right, this attitude simply does not exist in KSA. The rial is pegged to the dollar anyway, so it makes no difference. The Saudi rial is the only legal tender.
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No matter how much our new economist on the board wants to dumb down the dollar, he is talking out of his toucas. Although I won't go as far as to say that the "Dollar is King" as the poster seems to believe. I can assure you that the dollar is...well..."Sound as the Pound".

Now, with that said, does anyone here know the current exchange rate of the Pound to the Quid? Very Happy

NCTBA
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veiledsentiments



Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess would be that as long as the Gulf countries are scared spitless of Iran (true since pre-historic times actually and not about to change any time soon), the oil business will likely be based on the dollar. I will expect that to change the day the Chinese military shows up to take over guard duty from the US military.

VS
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Scared spitless" Laughing "i'm lovin' it"!

NCTBA
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PeterBar



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NCTBA

The rate of the Pound to the Quid is pro quo.
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johnslat



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear NCTBA,

The rate of the pound to the quid is exactly the same as the dollar to the buck.
Interesting etymology (and a tip of the hat to PeterBar)

"one pound sterling," 1688, British slang, possibly from quid "that which is" (1606, see quiddity), as used in quid pro quo"

So, it is what it is.

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John
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