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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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usa_in_gulf wrote: |
My brother-in-law, who is a MD, and a long time resident of KSA, obtained Saudi citizenship in 2007. |
Yes, but he will loose his original citizenship. The Magic Kingdom does not allow for dual citizenship! In addition, your citizenship name will be after a tribe name (Al Saud Tribe!!), which is very embarrassing for some to accept! The choice is yours!
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PS.. I have given birth in KSA and Kuwait.. several times! with absolutely no problem!!! |
But, in the Magic Kingdom they will not give her $5000 for her baby!!!  |
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usa_in_gulf
Joined: 10 Aug 2009 Posts: 133 Location: Gulf
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Giving up your original citizenship is common in many countries- so this is not unusual. BTW-my brother-in-law was "stateless" so this was not an issue in his particular situation. And I would guess that it is a "non-issue" for anyone who chooses to apply for Saudi citizenship- since that requirement is not a secret. My whole point was that the statement that birth is not the only way to get Saudi citizenship was incorrrect.
I would also guess that for some people $5000 is not enough to miss the birth of your child. Personally, no amount of money would make me want to deliver a child without my husband with me. Money comes and goes.. but the birth of that child.. only once. My point was that the medical care was absolutely fine. I have had numerous medical procedures, including operations, in KSA, Kuwait, and Bahrain without any problems. And as previously stated, I have delivered more than one child (nine to be exact - with a set of twins who were premature with the normal complications related to that situation.) And of course, my children have had the average broken bones, tonsil removals, car accidents, and so on and so on.... again, no problems.
If a person decides to deliver thier child in KSA, in my experience, there should be no problem.  |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Dear usa_in_gulf,
Sorry to be such a pest, but where did you see this statement?
"My whole point was that the statement that birth is not the only way to get Saudi citizenship was incorrrect."
(and, in any case, don't you mean that "the statement that birth IS the only was to get Saudi citizenship was incorrect?")
For your reference:
" . . . I am aware that no saudi can become a saudi citizen by birth . . ."
I think you meant that no non-Saudi can become a Saudi citizen by being born in the Kingdom.
Actually, the only way a Saudi can become a Saudi citizen is by birth. "
And the amended post:
"I am aware that no non-saudi can become a saudi citizen by birth . . ."
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John |
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usa_in_gulf
Joined: 10 Aug 2009 Posts: 133 Location: Gulf
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Dear
" . . . I am aware that no saudi can become a saudi citizen by birth . . ."
I think you meant that no non-Saudi can become a Saudi citizen by being born in the Kingdom.
Actually, the only way a Saudi can become a Saudi citizen is by birth.
But I'd say that having your baby in Australia sounds like the right decision to me.
Regards,
John |
Above you will find the post I was refering to-"Actually, the only way a Saudi can become a Saudi citizen is by birth."
That statement is not true. |
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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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usa_in_gulf wrote: |
Giving up your original citizenship is common in many countries- so this is not unusual. BTW-my brother-in-law was "stateless" so this was not an issue in his particular situation. And I would guess that it is a "non-issue" for anyone who chooses to apply for Saudi citizenship- since that requirement is not a secret. My whole point was that the statement that birth is not the only way to get Saudi citizenship was incorrrect. |
Well, I know a lot of Yemenis, Somalis, Sudanese, Egyptians and some Palestinians (stateless) who lived more than 10 years in the Magic Kingdom got their Saudi citizenship. And there are people who were born in the Magic Kingdom with a Saudi father and a foreigner mother and lived more than 20 years and still did not get their Saudi citizenship!!!
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I have delivered more than one child (nine to be exact - with a set of twins who were premature with the normal complications related to that situation.) And of course, my children have had the average broken bones, tonsil removals, car accidents, and so on and so on.... again, no problems. |
Well, not any mother is like you, it seems you are the mother of all pregnancy battles !!  |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Dear usa_in_gulf,
So this statement isn't true?
So a Saudi can become a Saudi citizen by another means bedsides birth?
or do you mean that this statement (which never appeared on this thread) isn't true:
"Actually, the only way a non-Saudi can become a Saudi citizen is by birth."
This, I believe, is what you mean:
" A non-Saudi can become a Saudi citizen by another means besides birth in the Kingdom.
And nobody disputes that. But I would be interested in learning how a Saudi can become a Saudi citizen by another means besides birth.
Regards,
John |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Insha'allah, s/he can...
NCTBA |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Dear NCTBA,
"Insha'allah, s/he can... "
Given what's been written
"Personally, no amount of money would make me want to deliver a child without my husband with me."
I think it's fairly safe to assume that usa_in_gulf is a lady.
Regards,
John |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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Ah! But, John, I wuz referring to your challenge:
"But I would be interested in learning how a Saudi can become a Saudi citizen by another means besides birth."
I think that I said, "If God wills it, s/he can."
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Dear NCTBA,
Ah - so the s/he was referring to Allah and not to usa_in_gulf. Sorry, I failed to discern the bilingual reference.
Yes, الله يمكن أن تفعل كل الأشياء
Your Buddy (BFF),
John |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Oh Lord, John! Don't have someone place a fatwa on MY noggin! The "s/he" reference refered to your reference of "a saudi", NOT Allah Almighty!
NCTBA (now lookin' over her shoulder!) |
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Mia Xanthi

Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 955 Location: why is my heart still in the Middle East while the rest of me isn't?
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Oh Lord, John! Don't have someone place a fatwa on MY noggin! |
You made my day, NCTBA  |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Dear NCTBA,
Tricky thing, that pronoun reference. But I'd suggest getting in touch with Salman Rushdie, just in case.
Regards,
John |
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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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johnslat wrote: |
Yes, الله يمكن أن تفعل كل الأشياء |
Well, John, if you show the above to any Saudi Sheikh he will punish you with 70 lashes and deport you!
In the above Arabic sentence you have used the verb " تفعل" (means the verb "do" but used with a female!) which contradicts the meaning of the word "Allah".
"He is Allah, The Creator, The Originator, The Fashioner, To Him belong the most Beautiful Names: Whatever is in the Heavens and on Earth, Do Declare His Praises and Glory. And He is the Exalted in Might, The Wise. "(Qur'an 59:24) |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Dear 007,
My goodness. OK, let's get a fatwa out on Google Translator.
Regards,
John |
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