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Preferences when being placed by Interac
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OneJoelFifty



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:04 pm    Post subject: Preferences when being placed by Interac Reply with quote

Hi all,

I wanted to PM a person or two but don't have the posts, although I have been reading this place a while now...

I know some of you have worked and are working for Interac, and I just wondered how much difference your stated preferences made in where you were placed. I have the seminar/interview coming up shortly, and everything going well I hope to go to Japan in March 2010.

I'm English, I have no teaching experience but I do have an English Literature degree and the basic TEFL qualification. I'd like to work in a high school in an urban area. I've spoken to Interac staff and I've been told Tokyo is almost certainly out of the question because of the high demand, and I'd imagine Kyoto and Osaka are similarly inaccessible to someone with little experience. I was told that Yokohama might be possible.

So, how closely did you find your placement matched your preferences? I'm completely prepared to be flexible, but I'm also curious to know if by being firm when stating my case I may end up with favourable circumstances.

Thanks.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Preferences when being placed by Interac Reply with quote

OneJoelFifty wrote:
So, how closely did you find your placement matched your preferences? I'm completely prepared to be flexible, but I'm also curious to know if by being firm when stating my case I may end up with favourable circumstances.
Look, right now the market is very full, and it's an employer's choice. Take what you get, look for something better (if that's possible) after you arrive, work hard, network, and hope for the best.

Don't be "firm" about a choice you have little chance of keeping, unless you have another job offer to negotiate with.
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on what your preference is.

Tokyo is pretty much out of the question for you. Tokyo goes to people already in Japan first, then the remaining spots go to people with JLPT 2 and above and teaching experience/qualifications.

Osaka is pretty much the same story.

Urban and highschool is going to be quite difficult. People who have already completed a contract will always get first pick over new overseas recruits. And many people who came in March and summer 2009, accepted less than desirable placements in hope of being transeferred this coming spring.

I got exactly what I wanted only because it wasn't a common request. I didn't want to be in a big city or highly urban area. I wanted suburban but needed to be close enough to a big city that I could travel there for the day. But my main concerns were climate and elementary school. I don't do extreme heat and I don't do little kids. I told them I would accept any placement including inaka isolation if it allowed me to avoid the two.
So I did get my suburban, cooler climate, JHS and am only an hour out from central Tokyo by shinkansen.

It's not so much a case of being firm as it is being able to justify why you want the placement. I really needed to be within shooting distance of one of the major cities for a completely practical reason.

If your reason for wanting urban is simply that you want to live in Tokyo, Osaka, etc, then don't hold your breathe and I wouldn't advise being too firm about it either.

With your lack of teaching experience, etc, you'll probably find yourself getting turned down for somebody that is totally flexible. The market is saturated and even bottom of the barrel jobs (including dispatch) have lots of competition these days.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just thought I'd mention that the market is saturated now (and there are reports of GEOS possibly going the way of Nova). Keep in mind that a lot of people will likely leave starting next year when they discover that they need to pay up to $9000 in current year and back health insurance.

Of course, when that happens, then salaries offered by dispatch companies will suddenly seem a lot lower than they do now (and they already seem pretty low now).
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flyer



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GambateBingBangBOOM wrote:
Just thought I'd mention that the market is saturated now (and there are reports of GEOS possibly going the way of Nova). Keep in mind that a lot of people will likely leave starting next year when they discover that they need to pay up to $9000 in current year and back health insurance.

Of course, when that happens, then salaries offered by dispatch companies will suddenly seem a lot lower than they do now (and they already seem pretty low now).

yes, hopefully this will kick start some wages rises for them (dispatch co) but I somehow doubt it
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Amarok



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flyer wrote:
GambateBingBangBOOM wrote:
Just thought I'd mention that the market is saturated now (and there are reports of GEOS possibly going the way of Nova). Keep in mind that a lot of people will likely leave starting next year when they discover that they need to pay up to $9000 in current year and back health insurance.

Of course, when that happens, then salaries offered by dispatch companies will suddenly seem a lot lower than they do now (and they already seem pretty low now).

yes, hopefully this will kick start some wages rises for them (dispatch co) but I somehow doubt it


Won't this end up just encouraging more of what they already do? This will be all the more reason for them to replace people on a yearly or biannual basis--they can keep the wages low (I think it's down to 230k now, at least for Interac) and keep grabbing fresh-faced people overseas. The people working will be screwed over when they realize they have insurance back payments to make, but it's easy enough for companies to find replacements when those people have to head back home because of the costs. I think there will still be plenty of people in the States, at least, scrambling to get over if the US economy doesn't get much better.
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ShioriEigoKyoushi



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShioriEigoKyoushi wrote:
Am watching the Geos situation closely at the moment too. After Nova, how long did it take for the employment market to adjust to previous levels of supply/demand?
It hasn't yet.

And, remember, people, when you talk about places going the way of NOVA, do you really understand what happened there? I doubt it.

NOVA went bankrupt because of a greedy president/owner and poor return policy. Is that the case at GEOS?
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
ShioriEigoKyoushi wrote:
Am watching the Geos situation closely at the moment too. After Nova, how long did it take for the employment market to adjust to previous levels of supply/demand?
It hasn't yet.

And, remember, people, when you talk about places going the way of NOVA, do you really understand what happened there? I doubt it.

NOVA went bankrupt because of a greedy president/owner and poor return policy. Is that the case at GEOS?


Glenski is right about the eikaiwa employment market- it never did return to previous levels, nowhere near it.

Glenski, it's more than a bit condescending to say that you doubt Shiori understands what happened at Nova- how would you know how much he/she knows about it? There's certainly plenty of info out there.

As for whether Geos has been poorly managed in the same way Nova was, can you say for sure that it hasn't been? We will have to wait and see.
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OneJoelFifty



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all, and especially seklarwia - very useful information. I'm willing to take whatever I can get, and I'll find the positives in whatever situation I end up in if I get over there.

The job rather than the area is more important to me, so I'll try for a high school and see what happens. I live in London and I've travelled a little in Japan; the city culture definitely appeals to me more, so fingers crossed I can get a place somewhere close by a major city.
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Inflames



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OneJoelFifty wrote:
Thanks all, and especially seklarwia - very useful information. I'm willing to take whatever I can get, and I'll find the positives in whatever situation I end up in if I get over there.

The job rather than the area is more important to me, so I'll try for a high school and see what happens. I live in London and I've travelled a little in Japan; the city culture definitely appeals to me more, so fingers crossed I can get a place somewhere close by a major city.


The best advice is to get yourself the job first. I wouldn't be concerned so much with the city you work in but rather (IMO) the branch office you work for - they can often have entirely different policies (and I heard horror stories about some branches). The Osaka branch pays on the 14th and we weren't allowed to use paid holidays on Mondays (unless we had an actual doctors note).

Personally I think that Interac generally puts people from overseas in rural areas then hires in-country for urban areas. That being said, most people probably ask for Tokyo. I would probably say that I would prefer to live in an urban area (then throw around some names - there are many urban areas in Japan and most people overseas don't know them) and that I would prefer to teach high school, but that living in other areas and teaching other levels is also OK. Some people do get pretty lucky with their placements - I had one friend who was a standby until May (he had to go in and learn Japanese once a week while living in a hotel Interac paid for), then he got sent to Nagoya city.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apsara wrote:
Glenski, it's more than a bit condescending to say that you doubt Shiori understands what happened at Nova- how would you know how much he/she knows about it? There's certainly plenty of info out there.
Reread what I wrote. I said "people", not one named poster. That message was meant for lots of people. I've seen several threads in the past 2 weeks where people seem to use the same expression. Just pointing out that GEOS' and NOVA's situations are probably different.

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As for whether Geos has been poorly managed in the same way Nova was, can you say for sure that it hasn't been? We will have to wait and see.
No, I can't say for sure, but NOVA certainly had a widely broadcasted (bad) rep for its president.
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OneJoelFifty wrote:

The job rather than the area is more important to me, so I'll try for a high school and see what happens. I live in London and I've travelled a little in Japan; the city culture definitely appeals to me more, so fingers crossed I can get a place somewhere close by a major city.


Unfortunately I'm not so sure what to suggest to improve your chances. If you can get hired for March then you have a better chance of being put in an area of your choice since that is when the most placements open up, but if you do end up rural, you're stuck with it for the year.

If you turn down offers and come in March as an alternate you have absolutely no say where you go and must accept what you are given, but I know a couple of alternates who didn't get placed during training, got paid just to sit in Interac HQ for a couple of weeks before being placed slap bang centre of Tokyo.

If you get accepted for March then defer until the summer, you stand a good chance of getting an ex-JET highschool placement, but because it was a JET placement, it will almost certainly be super rural. But you will only have to be there half a year and then you can transfer in the spring.

Honestly, I'd go with Inflames suggestion and look more at the branches. The policies do tend to vary quite drastically. I've heard/seen nightmare situations from the Hiroshima branch. But that being said, one of the ex-Hiroshima ALTs who tranferred up here in spring actually preferred that branch to our one.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Glenski"]
Apsara wrote:
Glenski, it's more than a bit condescending to say that you doubt Shiori understands what happened at Nova- how would you know how much he/she knows about it? There's certainly plenty of info out there.
Reread what I wrote. I said "people", not one named poster. That message was meant for lots of people. I've seen several threads in the past 2 weeks where people seem to use the same expression. Just pointing out that GEOS' and NOVA's situations are probably different.

I stand by what I said- the suggestion is that you understand the situation perfectly and that others are not so enlightened. If you want to say that the two companies' situations are different, then that's all that needs to be said.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apsara wrote:
the suggestion is that you understand the situation perfectly and that others are not so enlightened. If you want to say that the two companies' situations are different, then that's all that needs to be said.
The former statement is not what I'd intended. The latter is.
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