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Sierra7200
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 Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:53 pm Post subject: MA TESOL Distance Learning from state-funded California Uni? |
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HI,
I am currently a California resident, and thinking of going to Korea to teach for a couple of years, and also earn a masters degree. I'm also a licensed secondary teacher in Cali (laid off due to the budget cuts), and want to get the masters degree from a program that is accredited - and accepted as such - by the state of California.
Also, I would probably be able to get a cheaper, in-state tuition rate by doing a masters distance program with a state-funded university.
I have looked around, but so far I have been unable to find a state-funded Cali Uni what offers a distance learning masters in TESOL.
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Chancellor
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:35 am Post subject: Re: MA TESOL Distance Learning from state-funded California |
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| Sierra7200 wrote: |
HI,
I am currently a California resident, and thinking of going to Korea to teach for a couple of years, and also earn a masters degree. I'm also a licensed secondary teacher in Cali (laid off due to the budget cuts), and want to get the masters degree from a program that is accredited - and accepted as such - by the state of California.
Also, I would probably be able to get a cheaper, in-state tuition rate by doing a masters distance program with a state-funded university.
I have looked around, but so far I have been unable to find a state-funded Cali Uni what offers a distance learning masters in TESOL.
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Were you looking only at government universities? If so, then expand your search to private universities like this one:
http://www.tesol.org/s_tesol/sec_dtep.asp?CID=1562&DID=9513
Here's one from Anaheim University: http://www.learn4good.com/tefl/tesol_accredited_certificate_programs.htm and http://www.matesol.info/interview/ma-tesol-anaheim-university-usa.htm |
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sarahg
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Location: San Diego, CA
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I haven't seen that either. It's too bad because tuition at the CSUs is ridiculously cheap and so many of them have applied linguistics or TESOL programs.
I think they have the multiple subjects teaching cert online but I'm not sure if that's worth anything abroad, plus you have to do student teaching to get the cert, just the courses are online. |
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norwalkesl
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I have seen and heard, repeatedly, that the schools that pay well, the ones where an MA Tesol would result in better opportunities and higher pay, that these schools do not want a distance 'Internet Degree'.
They want you to get the schooling with boots on the ground, on campus. They want you to have a student ID, and they want the school accredited and to require an SAT or GMAT/GRE.
Some schools might not mind, but why risk it? |
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Chancellor
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| norwalkesl wrote: |
I have seen and heard, repeatedly, that the schools that pay well, the ones where an MA Tesol would result in better opportunities and higher pay, that these schools do not want a distance 'Internet Degree'.
They want you to get the schooling with boots on the ground, on campus. They want you to have a student ID, and they want the school accredited and to require an SAT or GMAT/GRE.
Some schools might not mind, but why risk it? |
Distance learning is NOT an "Internet degree"! We're referring to real, regionally accredited brick-and-mortar universities that offer degree programs through distance learning. The admissions requirements are the same, you are assigned a student ID, you have to pay for real textbooks, do real assignments, and you receive real grades. That the instruction happens to take place online (through such programs as Blackboard - http://www.blackboard.com/) is not particularly relevant. In short, you have to meet the same requirements as if you had attended the classes on campus. |
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Chancellor
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| sarahg wrote: |
I haven't seen that either. It's too bad because tuition at the CSUs is ridiculously cheap and so many of them have applied linguistics or TESOL programs.
I think they have the multiple subjects teaching cert online but I'm not sure if that's worth anything abroad, plus you have to do student teaching to get the cert, just the courses are online. |
The multiple subjects teaching certification (which I presume is geared toward teaching children) will likely open the door to international schools that you would not be able to get into with the mere entry-level TEFL certificates (CELTA, Trinity, etc.) so often talked about here (and that are geared toward adults).
But you can still get an MA TESOL or MA applied linguistics degree without going on to get state teacher certification and such a degree will be more valuable than a mere TEFL certificate. These degrees are what people with those entry-level TEFL certificates go on to get when they want to advance in their TEFL careers.
Is Anaheim University part of the California state university system? |
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sarahg
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| Chancellor wrote: |
Is Anaheim University part of the California state university system? |
Anaheim University is a private, all-online university. It's not even regionally accredited -- it's accredited by some sort of online education group. It's also very expensive, I think the tuition for the degree was over $20k. I'm not sure how an Anaheim University degree is viewed within California but probably not very favorably. Someone would probably be better off going with a non-california "real" university like the UMass program.
The California education system consists of the community colleges, Cal State (many campuses) and Uni of CA (several campuses). There are plenty of options for state funded TESOL or Applied Linguistics degrees, just not by distance unfortunately. They're also all getting harder to get into because of budget cuts. |
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norwalkesl
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| What about Cal State Long Beach or Dominguez Hills? |
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norwalkesl
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| Chancellor wrote: |
| norwalkesl wrote: |
I have seen and heard, repeatedly, that the schools that pay well, the ones where an MA Tesol would result in better opportunities and higher pay, that these schools do not want a distance 'Internet Degree'.
They want you to get the schooling with boots on the ground, on campus. They want you to have a student ID, and they want the school accredited and to require an SAT or GMAT/GRE.
Some schools might not mind, but why risk it? |
Distance learning is NOT an "Internet degree"! We're referring to real, regionally accredited brick-and-mortar universities that offer degree programs through distance learning. |
I disagree. To many future employers in the ME and at top level international schools, any distance degree is unacceptable. This may be changing, but that is my current understanding. They simply do not trust them, and the process of certifying the individual programs takes up enormous resources at the respective government agencies.
Thus when I get to the point in my career in 3 or 4 years when the MA will be the next step, I will (very reluctantly) be returning to school in the States, on campus.
Again, why risk it? What if one gets an online degree from "a real, regionally accredited brick-and-mortar universities that offer degree programs through distance learning." that the ME country DOES NOT ACCEPT. Protesting that the degree is real is futile - they want you to attend in person, so that is what one does.
Whatever the employer wants, that is what you do.
Not every society accepts online degrees as we do in the US. Even those from "real" schools. Some cultures still consider such degrees "less than real'", and in Teaching, taking a degree online without an in person practicum, well of course it is not as good as one taken in person.
I intend to research the market first before moving on to my MA, making certain I am getting everything done properly in the eyes of future employers. |
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