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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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People are very forward with me here:


It might be you, or where you're meeting these people that is more important. I don't club, hence I wouldn't be meeting anyone there. Open communication is definately not the norm here.
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
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People are very forward with me here:


It might be you, or where you're meeting these people that is more important. I don't club, hence I wouldn't be meeting anyone there. Open communication is definately not the norm here.


Perhaps, but clubs are not a norm for me either. Besides talking about things like how I smell, my hair, my eyes, my legs and now even cup size (thanks to a fantastic piece of innapropriate but highly communicative English from a couple of 1nensei boys that resulted in quite a few jokes in the staff rooms) first came up at school which is definately not a clubbing situation.

Open communication may not be the norm, but that's not to say it never happens.

Maybe it's my personality, maybe its because I'm a girl, maybe I simply have good relationships with the staff at school (I spend a lot of time with all the staff not just the JTEs) and the people around me, or it could be that I'm younger so people think I'm more open or less likely to be offended by personal questions and comments. Maybe its a mixture of all these things, or perhaps something entirely different.

In any case I can confirm that my change in diet has not resulted in any offensive body odour.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, you mentioned about the woman you met in the club who was probing you in the bathroom. As to odd conversations at school, it takes all types to be teachers (take it from me, I know Wink ).

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Cool Teacher



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
Sorry, you mentioned about the woman you met in the club who was probing you in the bathroom. As to odd conversations at school, it takes all types to be teachers (take from me, I know Wink ).


Yep. I agree with you I sometimes meet some strange people here!!! Shocked
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
Sorry, you mentioned about the woman you met in the club who was probing you in the bathroom. As to odd conversations at school, it takes all types to be teachers (take from me, I know Wink ).


Probing! Embarassed

I said the women were feeling me. I think it was likely something much more innocent and akin to curiosity than you are imagining Wink I take it you've never witnessed girl talk in toilets Laughing

And I'm not so sure that its that the teachers are strange but that the kids make fantastic conversation starters or draw attention to things that they might not have normally noticed (or might have politely pretended not to notice).

Like when the 1nensei boys in one class learnt questions using 'do' and 'does', they start shouting in the middle of class random questions. The JTE (and older guy) is so happy that he doesn't stop them. So we have:
- Do you like sushi?
- Do you like fast food?
- Do you have a boyfriend?
- Does he live in England?
- Are you nani cup?
Cue choking JTE and me who somehow didn't understand and made the mistake of saying "pardon?":
- Are you C cup? Are you D cup?

I guess the fact I just laughed shouted "IWASENEEYO!" (can't remember the comedians' names) and told them it was a secret instead of being offended like many other women might have been meant that the staff didn't feel uncomfortable bringing it up later.

It was also the kids who initially brought up many of the other strange conversation topics.

... wait... were you implying that I was one of the strange people? Shocked ... mmm, pehaps Very Happy
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It was also the kids who initially brought up many of the other strange conversation topics.

... wait... were you implying that I was one of the strange people? ... mmm, pehaps



Hardly, just glad things like that don't upset you (though in some offices it would have some people running to double check the work rules sexual harassment manual).

Some of my students bring up not so innocent questions, but they're old enough to know that the questions are not so innocent (or I should say mature enough, but sometimes it's hard to know).
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TeflingJapan



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:07 pm    Post subject: The Gaijin betting game Reply with quote

Has anyone heard of this new betting game amongst japaneses ladies (especially students)? You know, how many foreigners one can get in bed...

"Uglies" go for 10 points and "beauties" 5 points.
It's getting ridiculous in my school. I'm even considering moving to another country... Any advice on how to put a stop to this?
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure that's new?
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wayne432



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Things like that have probably been done in every country. Replace foreigner with teacher or with many different things... guys or girls.

Anyway, back to the original topic of foreign benefits... yeah, I've seen tons of situations.

I've seen foreigners who lost their tickets just be allowed to walk through the gates (possibly because the guard doesn't want to argue or things the person's Japanese might be bad). Japanese people would immediately be ready to fork over the correct change to buy another ticket... but many foreigners would probably protest that they already paid once, etc too.

Some people I've heard abuse this chance... I've heard of friends who have rode from Kyushu to Kanto for less than 1000 yen, and from Shizuoka to Tokyo for 125 yen. Some people have even gotten away with Shinkansen tickets Surprised (Taxi cabs are also a possibility).

You could chalk it up to Japanese people thinking that a foreigner doesn't speak crap for Japanese, but it still counts as a benefit (albeit it's pretty wrong if you abuse it... especially if caught).
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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wayne432 wrote:
Some people I've heard abuse this chance... I've heard of friends who have rode from Kyushu to Kanto for less than 1000 yen, and from Shizuoka to Tokyo for 125 yen. Some people have even gotten away with Shinkansen tickets Surprised (Taxi cabs are also a possibility).


THE GAIJIN SMASH...I heard one of my colleagues call it--getting from Shizuoka to Osaka on 240 yen or something like that.

Regards,
fat_chris
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've seen foreigners who lost their tickets just be allowed to walk through the gates


I've seen Japanese do this every week, by following another person closely through the ticket gates. I call this the 'JR smash' or 'Metro smash'! Of course I have seen some foreigners do this too (hopefully no one I know Rolling Eyes ).
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Quichia



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:33 am    Post subject: hmmm Reply with quote

So,

This may or may not be a problem. But I am an African American (Black, w/e) female and have a couple interviews for Japan.

Does anyone think this would hinder my job placements at all? Granted, they do have my picture. Just wondering. But, I have read that the culture is very (what's the word...) appearance oriented and that they want someone who looks and speaks like a Native-English speaker.

I did an internship in Italy and was, well stared at so much so that I had to ask my bf if there was something wrong with what I was wearing, on my face, did I fall in something etc. It bothered me until I just sucked it up.

Does anyone know of my color being a possible issue?
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steki47



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:08 am    Post subject: Re: hmmm Reply with quote

Quichia wrote:
Does anyone know of my color being a possible issue?


From second-hand experience, I would say being black would not be much of a problem. Being Hispanic- or Asian-American is more likely to raise some eyebrows or bring up some strange questions.

I worked with a Chinese-American woman who got some rather ignorant questions/comments from students.
"Your English is so good."
"Where are you from?" "California." "But you're Asian."

You get the idea.

Tiger Woods and Eddie Murphy are well known in Japan, so most students will probably "get it."

Maybe throw in a thick Jamaican accent your first week or two, just to mess up their heads. Wink
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm female and not of the white persuasion either, but I got a job over here. The ALT from the nearest junior high to mine is a female from Jamaica. At my training session, there was the group we referred to as the Jamaican contingency as a joke. They made up about a 10th of the entire group.

Colour shouldn't be an issue, but then neither should age. There are probably still a few employers who have strange ideas about what is marketable to customers and what is not and there may be some strange customers who only believe that good English can only come from the stereotypical looking foreigners. But on the whole, you shouldn't have any issues. If they have your picture already, I shouldn't worry. They wouldn't have offered you an interview if your skin colour was a problem.

When you get here, if you are out in more rural areas where there are few non-asian looking foreigners, people may look. But with the exception some old people and very young children, it will be quite subtle and fairly unintrusive. And honestly, it's more likely that they are having a look because you have a foreigner's appearence rather than because you are not white. And of course being a female foreigner will often draw attention more if you are, like me, better endowed than the average Japanese lady. In fact, a bust, being on the heavy side, being super tall, etc will likely draw more looks than skin colour.

I very quickly realised that in the eyes of the Japanese anyone who isn't Japanese (or doesn't look Japanese) is automatically lumped in a single "foreigners" group. I used to get asked if I knew 'X', 'Y' and 'Z' all the time. When I asked if I should know them, the response was normally along the lines of that they simply thought I might because they were foreigners, too. Some of these foreigners that they thought I might know were from places like Ukraine, Singapore and Brazil, so it wasn't as if they even looked like me (although people here think I could pass for Brazilian amongst other things... could be worse, I guess).

Just don't take offense if they assume you are from certain places based on appearence. Instead of asking, "Where are you from?", many will ask "Are you from...?" They honestly don't realise that some people might find it offensive if they get it wrong. Same for if they follow up yours telling them you are from America with, "Then, were you born in...?"

In the larger cities, you probably wouldn't be looked at twice. And even in more rural areas, once you've been there a while, the novelty will wear off... that is the looking foreign novelty will wear off. Things like bust size will still be quite interesting to them. And they will get braver the more they get to know you. Some of the more shy/restraint people I know are only just starting the bust comments, questions and jokes that I'd started hearing from the more daring or liberal a very long time ago.
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Quichia



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the replies!
I figured as much, but you never know unless you experience it and well... I have never experienced Japan first-hand.
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