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Deicide

Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 1005 Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:40 am Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
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EFL is a trap. You get stuck in it and can never leave. |
Some do. Some don't.
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Been doing it myself for over 6 years off and on. I am finished with it and have a plan to get the hell out of it but it may not work in which case I will concede defeat but I am going to go for a 2nd MA in Applied Translation and hope that I can work my way into that field and never have to do EFL again. |
What is your first MA in? What sort of jobs are you looking at (and where)?
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People become TEFL-lifers because they have no other skills to offer people and thus become trapped. Develop other skills and get the hell out...my advice. |
True, some people get trapped, but it because they have no other skills and they never try to develop them. Some (usually males) get married to a local, have minimal qualifications for work, and get stuck that way, too.
You (Deicide) are doing one thing that others should consider.
1. Get another / a new degree.
2. Get training (certification, courses, etc.).
3. Open your own school (after careful research, of course).
4. Develop other skills (e.g., translating, proofreading, teacher training, accounting, whatever) to do side work perhaps leading to a career change.
5. Change countries.
6. Return home (with a huge caveat about reverse culture shock and having a gap on one's resume if you started teaching in the middle of another career).
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I just want a normal life after over a decade of roaming |
People should realize that not every TEFL-er roams when they teach. Just curious, though -- what do you consider a "normal life"? (to quote from the movie Tombstone: "There's no normal life...just life.")
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Find something useful and practical and do it, pretty soon you will be really old realising you are still doing the EFL Edutainment gig...is that what you really want? |
It's not all edutainment. |
1. Many get trapped; some are fortunate anc escape but those are few indeed.
2. I recently completed my MA in Linguistics (theoretical) in September. As I want to live and work in EUrope, I have been looking here, but in order to get the dosh together for a 2nd MA I will likely have to put in at least 2 years time in the Middle East, which depresses me no end. There are few things more terrible than living for your pay cheque and nothing else, bereft of any possibility to socialise and just have a normal life, still, if I have to, then I will. Right now I have been applying to everything imaginable; EFL jobs, one job as a bilingual secretary, one job in an abbatoir, tons of different stuff.
3. Normal life=0815. That's an expression in German. It just means your daily 9-5, boring maybe, but better than the alternative. Constantly travelling and wandering has taken its toll on me and I am no longer young. As of now I have no career prospects and no chance to create a decent social circle, have been single for years, etc. Normal, i.e. what most normal people have. I just hope my plans can work out...  |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Deicide wrote: |
3. Normal life=0815. That's an expression in German. It just means your daily 9-5, boring maybe, but better than the alternative. |
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't a boring 9-5 what you have been describing TEFL as (and disliking it)? |
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Deicide

Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 1005 Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
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3. Normal life=0815. That's an expression in German. It just means your daily 9-5, boring maybe, but better than the alternative. |
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't a boring 9-5 what you have been describing TEFL as (and disliking it)? |
No. I mean doing a real job, such as being a professional translator and having my friends close by in a culture I can tolerate, being able to get to know people, sipping coffee in a nice cafe...a normal life, NOT constantly switching countries, moving around all the time, never being able to really get ahead. I hate TEFL for all sorts of reasons but 9-5 has nothing to do with it...
BTW, how old are you? Your use of the lexical item 'dungaree' has piqued my interest... |
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Stephen Jones
Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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NOT constantly switching countries, moving around all the time, never being able to really get ahead |
We don't know, and probably would prefer not to know, what you've been doing to get chased out of town at the end of every contract, but it isn't a necessary part of being a TEFL teacher. |
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Deicide

Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 1005 Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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Stephen Jones wrote: |
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NOT constantly switching countries, moving around all the time, never being able to really get ahead |
We don't know, and probably would prefer not to know, what you've been doing to get chased out of town at the end of every contract, but it isn't a necessary part of being a TEFL teacher. |
Not chased, finish contract and leave. |
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Cool Teacher

Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Here, There and Everywhere! :D
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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Deicide wrote: |
Stephen Jones wrote: |
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NOT constantly switching countries, moving around all the time, never being able to really get ahead |
We don't know, and probably would prefer not to know, what you've been doing to get chased out of town at the end of every contract, but it isn't a necessary part of being a TEFL teacher. |
Not chased, finish contract and leave. |
Some peopel are like the Littlest Hobo and come to town, help everyone and then leave. Some people are like the Incredible Hulk and come to town, mess it all up and have to leave...
I'm a bit of both  |
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gaijinalways
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 2279
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Some people just come and never leave (or do not leave for a long, long time).
I am in my 13th year in Japan. I make very good money, and like Glenski am constantly looking for different ways to help my students learn. Sometimes it's setting different tasks, or different ways to attempt the same tasks, etc.
Yes, like any job it has its trying days, but it isn't any more boring than any other job I've had (and I read a lot more on the Internet for this job than my others, though in defense of my other jobs the Internet didn't really exist for some of them), so it's been a 'real' education for me as well.
And contrary to what Deicide declared, people can and do learn languages (I hope we're not going to hear another acquisition versus learning lecture, I fear one is waiting in the wings ) and there is a real need for language teachers. |
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Deicide

Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 1005 Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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gaijinalways wrote: |
Some people just come and never leave (or do not leave for a long, long time).
I am in my 13th year in Japan. I make very good money, and like Glenski am constantly looking for different ways to help my students learn. Sometimes it's setting different tasks, or different ways to attempt the same tasks, etc.
Yes, like any job it has its trying days, but it isn't any more boring than any other job I've had (and I read a lot more on the Internet for this job than my others, though in defense of my other jobs the Internet didn't really exist for some of them), so it's been a 'real' education for me as well.
And contrary to what Deicide declared, people can and do learn languages (I hope we're not going to hear another acquisition versus learning lecture, I fear one is waiting in the wings ) and there is a real need for language teachers. |
We are. People acquire languages OR they don't. End of story. You can give some guidelines but that's about it. What people need is exposure and immersion; language teaching is a bit of an oxymoron. |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Some people stay in TEFL because they like it. Some people make conscious decisions about staying in a job/country or moving on to a new one. Some people, even in the Middle East, spend quite a lot of time socializing with friends, developing hobbies, sipping warm beverages in cafes, going out to bars, dating, learning new teaching skills...
And some don't.
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Deicide

Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 1005 Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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denise wrote: |
Some people stay in TEFL because they like it. Some people make conscious decisions about staying in a job/country or moving on to a new one. Some people, even in the Middle East, spend quite a lot of time socializing with friends, developing hobbies, sipping warm beverages in cafes, going out to bars, dating, learning new teaching skills...
And some don't.
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What on earth is there to like about TEFL (except the money in the Middle East)?  |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Deicide,
"What on earth is there to like about TEFL . . ."
Or do you mean, "What on earth is there to like about teaching?" since TEFL, in my experience, is very similar to any other teaching job?
You either like it or you don't. And, if you don't, than, of course, the best course of action would be to try to find some other employment where you can find satisfaction that goes beyond the salary (unless, of course, the salary is the only criterion of satisfaction for you.)
Regards,
John |
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Deicide

Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 1005 Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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johnslat wrote: |
Dear Deicide,
"What on earth is there to like about TEFL . . ."
Or do you mean, "What on earth is there to like about teaching?" since TEFL, in my experience, is very similar to any other teaching job?
You either like it or you don't. And, if you don't, than, of course, the best course of action would be to try to find some other employment where you can find satisfaction that goes beyond the salary (unless, of course, the salary is the only criterion of satisfaction for you.)
Regards,
John |
I am working on it mate, ever so slowly. I don't want to teach anything to be honest. I want to work on my own and live a boring, middle classe bourgeoisie life. I can't get that from TEFL.
You an Obama fan? |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Deicide,
I certainly hope you can achieve your desire. There are far too many people doing jobs they don't enjoy or even hate. And life is too short (or maybe too long) to waste so much of it that way.
I'm fortunate - I love teaching and I don't really consider it to be "work" (since, if you're doing something you love and getting paid for it in addition, that hardly seems like "work" to me.)
Regards,
John |
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norbdemn
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 128
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting thread here. If you are sick and tired of it, maybe you can get into the management side of the business or become a contributor to textbooks for ESL?? Or, if you've had enough, pursue a different field in the country you live in.
Anyway, you seem to have done well for yourself. I am also curious to know where you were teaching.
On another note, if you want to remain teaching but pursue another subject, maybe you may want to consider pursuing a credential. This is what I am doing. I live in CA, USA. I just passed the CBEST, I am considering getting a Math teaching credential. I am currently teaching Math to underprivillged students for a Non-profit.
You'll figure it out. Good Luck! |
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Stephen Jones
Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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I recently completed my MA in Linguistics (theoretical) in September. |
Outside of EFL pretty high up in the unemployability stakes.
Translation in most European countries also comes high up the unemployment ladder, though the problem there is more under-employment, most of it irregular and casual.
If you hate teaching, but want a well-paid comfortable middle-class lifestyle in Europe then you need skills there's a demand for, such as law, dentistry, aircraft maintenance, or food processing. |
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