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Phil_K



Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Location: A World of my Own

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Within a range, with a floor to it of absolute necessity, you can live "cheaply" in Mexico, if you choose, just as you could anywhere, relatively speaking.


Despite the rather confused nature of this sentence, Laughing this brings up a good point. Personally I don't choose to live like this - anywhere. I live in Mexico, (which I didn't choose! - it, or rather my wife, chose me), this is my life (the only one I have!) so why would I want to live at a lower standard than I did back in the UK?

While I understand that a younger person than I might be here just for the experience and might be willing to rough it, the truth is that anyone with a reasonable salary can probably live at a higher standard than someone of equivalent professional rank in the UK, USA or Canada.

Just to illustrate the fact, not to glorify myself (heaven forbid), I have a penthouse apartment in a good area (totally paid - no mortgage), a car I bought new, have taken vacations in USA, Canada, England and France in the past two years and enjoy good food and wine all the time. I doubt with my qualifications (zero paper) and work experience, I could have acheived that in the UK.

My advice? Apply yourself to your job, use your commonsense, set your goals, look for the good openings and then fill your boots.
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Tretyakovskii



Joined: 14 Aug 2009
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Location: Cancun, Mexico

PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, Phil, I said just what I meant, and can think of no better way to say it, myself.

If you can write a better, single sentence, incorporating all of the qualifiers to the statement that I intended, and included- using whatever punctuation you think is necessary to make it work- I'm happy to be instructed.

(You get no credit for taking several sentences to manage to get said all that I said in one.)

By the way, on your point that if you work hard and are resourceful, you can enjoy a good life in TEFL, I'm totally in agreement.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't mean to criticize, just having a bit of fun!
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Tretyakovskii



Joined: 14 Aug 2009
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Location: Cancun, Mexico

PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for cutting me some slack, Phil!

I would like to add, just so as not to discourage any "up and coming TEFLers" that if I didn't think I could make it in Mexico, I wouldn't be here; and there's jobs advertised right here on Dave's, from time to time, that I think could provide a fairly comfortable living. I made crap in the first few years I was teaching, and I didn't die, or suffer any great hardships. In fact, I had a blast. I came abroad, and haven't looked back. It's hard work, but it can be a great life! Beats the hell out of sitting behind a desk.
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chenn0



Joined: 03 Nov 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tretyakovskii, could you tell me a little bit of your experience ? ie How and when did you start? How old were you? What qualifications did you have? What was the hardest part? Do you now and did you start off working legally or illegally? Any Do's or Don'ts (dont's?)?

anything would help out Tretyakovskii

and these questions go out to any one who would like to answer as well Smile
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NinaNina



Joined: 10 Jan 2007
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Location: Oaxaca

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My favorite topic...

We're a family of four living in Oaxaca City. Our monthly expenses run $2500 and include private school tuition for two kids, health insurance for all (traveler insurance for husband and kids, US insurance for me due to a preexisting condition), utilities, internet, once-a-week cleaning, clothes, school uniforms, doctor visits, groceries, entertainment, extracurricular classes, health club, property taxes, car maintenance, visas, the whole enchilada, with the glaring exception of travel to get back north to visit family once a year, which is just terribly expensive for four people, no matter how you slice it.

We're vegetarian/vegan, nondrinkers for the most part, but we do love to eat out, as long as it's cheap. In general, I find that services are far cheaper in Mexico, and products comparable or more expensive (I lived in Oakland, CA and Portland, OR before).
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NinaNina wrote:
In general, I find that services are far cheaper in Mexico, and products comparable or more expensive (I lived in Oakland, CA and Portland, OR before).


Good general yardstick.
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chenn0



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow Nina, that seems like it is working fairly well for you and your family. Congrats Cool

Where do y'all teach at?
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Tretyakovskii



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Location: Cancun, Mexico

PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChennO, my c/v's in the mail!

You're asking for more detail than I care to give but, I've worked for a number of years, I have a graduate degree, my first teaching job was in a university (the worst paying of any work I've done as a teacher, but that depends on the country, to a large extent); most of the time I've taught privately, and I've always had permission of the government to teach.

If you lack teaching experience, a CELTA or TEFL, will help you get started: there's a awful lot to learn in order to be a reasonably competent teacher of English. You won't learn it all in a month long course, but it's a start. Even better, if you know the country you'd like to work in, do the course there. You will have some help getting set up that way, and have some time to learn the environment in which you'll be living/working.
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Now, back to the topic, eh?
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We're a family of four living in Oaxaca City. Our monthly expenses run $2500....

NinaNina, was I right to assume you must be talking about USD? If not, perhaps I should reconsider where I'm living....
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We're vegetarian/vegan, nondrinkers for the most part....

Yeah, I know what you mean, and it's the part of me that's not, that gets me into trouble.
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I ran across this item, on another thread, from Oreen Scott-
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My rent is $4,000 pesos, 2 bedroom, no pool, modest garden apartment - albeit fully furnished because I don't know how long I'll be in Oaxaca. But, all my utilities are paid for. So other than rent, food would be my only necessary expense. Except - Christmas is coming, need to buy gifts, went to a wedding in October - needed to buy gift - I think everyone knows the drill. As an FM-3 independent I have to pay an accountant to file an income report every month etc.. .etc... When all is said and done I'm living on about $12,500 pesos a month.

I have no car, walk everywhere and generally eat at home. From what I've seen, teachers who depend on their earned income - which is generally $12,000 pesos a month, can't save money and the few I knew with student loans returned to the U.S. because they couldn't make ends meet in Mexico.

Oreen Scott doesn't mention whether this total of monthly expenses includes health care/health insurance, and travel. If it doesn't, then it approximates my experience with cost of living in Cancun.


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Ruffle the cat



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:13 pm    Post subject: Queretaro cost of living Reply with quote

I live in Queretaro which is the middle of Mexico 3 hours by bus north of the DF for those of you outside the country. I have lived in San Luis Potosi and San Juan del Rio. Q is an hour bus ride from San Miguel de Allende and San Miguel has an english library my life line here in Mexico.

Here in Q the cost of living is high compared to other places but not as high as the resort towns people have mentioned.

I pay 4000 pesos a month for an unfurnished 3 bedroom, 2 1/2 bathroom house newish. The landlady is my exstudent and friend so the rent is really good for Q. I have been the souce of all her tenents in the past all gringos and friends of mine so the rent remains affordable.

I have found that in non tourist spots there aren't any furnished places or if there are I have never found them.

My phone, internet and all Mexican long distance is about 600 pesos a month. It is a deal from the phone company and as all my friends are a long distance phone call from here it is good for me, but ofcourse you don't have to spend that I think the land line and internet can be had for around 350 a month.

I eat well and go out when I feel like it not to expensive places, down the street to a seafood spot that has a hugh shrimp cocktail for 55 pesos and a beer for 20 the cocktail is enough for my lunch or a light supper. The new Indian place in centro is more expensive but I can eat for about 75 pesos there.

Cat food for Ruffle the cat is very expensive but she is a world traveler and used to paying lots to eat her special diet. She is Azeri and a bit fussy.

I use the local buses and taxis, no car, the buses are 6.50 pesos a ride taxis vary from my house 35 or 45 depending on where I am going 45 to Home depot, Sam's and Costco. There places are more expensive than the marcado but they also have stuff I want so I shop there. Fruit and Veg are cheap Meat expensive, my local Mega is really expensive but it is four short blocks from my house so ofcourse I go there rather than the Marcado which is a bus ride away.

I am semi retired, and can't afford to live in my own country Canada as well as I live in Queretaro. If I wanted to live somewhere else (small puebla) it would be a lot cheaper, I do live in a Mexican suburb not the expensive gringo places in the north of the city.
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geaaronson



Joined: 19 Apr 2005
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:23 pm    Post subject: rewrite Reply with quote

Your living expenses living here in Mexico will be within a wide range depending on lifestyle needs with an absolute bottom minimum salary that will satisfy basic necessities, just as you would anywhere in the world.


I don`t know if this fulfills your requirement for brevity and lucidity, or even mine.
Considering that my own writing can be convoluted, it`s a joy to cut through the verbiage from time to time.
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chenn0



Joined: 03 Nov 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry, Tret. I didn't mean to ask too much from you.
Thank you for the reply and I'm sorry to have gone off of topic y'all.
I know nothing about the living expenses in Mexico other than what I read. However, it's a really cheap vacation for me Smile
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norwalkesl



Joined: 22 Oct 2009
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Location: Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-China

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spector wrote:
Tretyakovskii wrote:
But, Mexico is not cheap, and a life style comparable to back home will probably be comparable in cost, for most people.


But how can be the case when someone here is talking about living in Hermosillo and is paying 2300 rent? Correct me if I'm wrong, but in British Pounds, does that not translate into about �120? In the UK, you'd get nothing for that!


2300MXN (about �105 actually...) rent and my friends all thought my rent was very high.

In a very nice neighborhood, too.

To them, 1000 a month was normal. Yes, that is $76 USD or about �45.5.

Students share apartments and pay 500-750MXN per month.
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Tretyakovskii



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Location: Cancun, Mexico

PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quoting me:
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Within a range, with a floor to it of absolute necessity, you can live "cheaply" in Mexico, if you choose, just as you could anywhere, relatively speaking.

You can find people, living on little, anywhere in the world, including Mexico.

Students, and newbies to TEFL, are so commonly associated with it, they're almost a parable.
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Cheap accommodations can probably be found most places in Mexico, with a trade-off of location: in Cancun, there are plenty of two bedroom, one bath town homes, in new neighborhoods, renting for 1,500 pesos/month; but, they're normally further out than is convenient to be, and are usually rented unfurnished. (For furnished, add about a thousand per month, if one is available- rare, but not impossible.)
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