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Imseriouslylost



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:32 am    Post subject: "Only accepting applicants from within Japan" Reply with quote

I'm seeing this on every... single... job offer...

Anyway, I don't want to have to go to Japan before I have a job. I will if absolutely necessary but I don't want it to come to that, in fear that I will end up with nothing after three months. I have a lot to lose!

I've applied for numerous jobs that say they're hiring from within Japan only through the Interac website (all of them say that). I made it clear that I am able to attend any interviews or seminars they require.

What other websites/dispatches should I try? I'm going to hit up Gaijinpot next.

How committed to this "only from within Japan" thing are these employers? do you think they'll consider someone from outside Japan but close to Japan before they consider people on the other side of the world?
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stevenbhow



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

However, some employers do not hire from within Japan. AEON, ECC, the JET program, Language House, James English School and Westgate Corporation recruit teachers overseas. (Recently, JET has allowed applications from within Japan, but the interview process is still required in your home country.) Getting hired from your home country is still not as simple as it may sound. You will have to travel to the interview site, which may be quite a distance from where you live, and pay for the travel and lodging yourself. Sometimes such interviews last 2-3 days. The JET Program hiring process takes months (from the December deadline for applications to the July/August date that all successful applicants fly together to Japan). Look at each employer�s web site for details.

AEON
JET program
ECC
Westgate

Also try W5, Altia Central, Border Link. As it gets closer to Dec/Jan you will see more ALT positions listed. All of the dispatch companies for the most part hire outside of Japan. Watch the job listings here and at gaijinpot.

Good luck,

Steve
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: "Only accepting applicants from within Japan" Reply with quote

Imseriouslylost wrote:

How committed to this "only from within Japan" thing are these employers? do you think they'll consider someone from outside Japan but close to Japan before they consider people on the other side of the world?


What they usually mean by this is that they want someone who is not only in Japan, but is here with a proper visa, e.g. spouse visa, working holiday, or who already has a working visa from another job.

This pretty much means that it doesn't matter if you are in Korea or Peru- they don't want to go through the visa sponsorship process.
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:38 am    Post subject: Re: "Only accepting applicants from within Japan" Reply with quote

Imseriouslylost wrote:

I've applied for numerous jobs that say they're hiring from within Japan only through the Interac website (all of them say that). I made it clear that I am able to attend any interviews or seminars they require.

I was confused by this bit, so I just checked out the site and...

... you applied on the wrong part! Those are postings only for people currently in Japan. Don't be surprised if you get any response to your applications in that section.

You need to click on the 'Teach in Japan' tab and then 'apply now'. Or you can simply click the 'apply now' link that appears in the top right corner (on the dark blue portion of the page). They will give you the correct form to fill out.

Bare in mind, you will need to travel to a country where they hold interviews if you pass the initial phone screening. They don't interview in Korea.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:41 pm    Post subject: Re: "Only accepting applicants from within Japan" Reply with quote

Imseriouslylost wrote:
I'm seeing this on every... single... job offer...
Where the heck are you looking? A glance at the latest OhayoSensei proves that observation wrong. Same with Gaijinpot, ESL Cafe itself, jobsinjapan, etc.

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Anyway, I don't want to have to go to Japan before I have a job.
Despite what is written above, you have to understand a few things:

1. the market is very flooded. Some jobs have scores of applicants, even for the entry level ones.

2. most employers do not have the money/resources to interview from abroad, nor do they want to do phone interviews or trust just a resume and hire sight unseen.

3. the big companies/eikaiwas will hire from abroad, but you have to meet their schedule for recruiting, and go to their locations on your expense, not theirs.
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Imseriouslylost



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:29 pm    Post subject: Re: "Only accepting applicants from within Japan" Reply with quote

seklarwia wrote:
Imseriouslylost wrote:

I've applied for numerous jobs that say they're hiring from within Japan only through the Interac website (all of them say that). I made it clear that I am able to attend any interviews or seminars they require.

I was confused by this bit, so I just checked out the site and...

... you applied on the wrong part! Those are postings only for people currently in Japan. Don't be surprised if you get any response to your applications in that section.

You need to click on the 'Teach in Japan' tab and then 'apply now'. Or you can simply click the 'apply now' link that appears in the top right corner (on the dark blue portion of the page). They will give you the correct form to fill out.

Bare in mind, you will need to travel to a country where they hold interviews if you pass the initial phone screening. They don't interview in Korea.


I did that. I clicked the right part in the first place. I made another account just to test that theory and I ended up in the same place again... with a list of jobs saying Japan only. I double checked the sections where it asked country of residence and what visa I held (none) and it is still giving me the list for "Japan only."
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not getting any job listings and you shouldn't either. There is a form with three pages. No need to make any accounts, log in or do a search of any kind.

First page: My personal Information
2nd: Contact Information
Last: Step 1 Finalization

You click "submit application" and you're done.

Because the form is designed for overseas hirers there is no question asking what visa you hold; only one drop down box on the last page saying "one of the following applies to me". The options are 'university degree', 'will graduate within 6 months', 'Internship applicant', 'Eligible for Working Holiday visa' and 'Valid work visa for Japan'.

Obviously, you are doing something wrong, since it's working just fine for me.
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Imseriouslylost



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seklarwia wrote:
I'm not getting any job listings and you shouldn't either. There is a form with three pages. No need to make any accounts, log in or do a search of any kind.

First page: My personal Information
2nd: Contact Information
Last: Step 1 Finalization

You click "submit application" and you're done.

Because the form is designed for overseas hirers there is no question asking what visa you hold; only one drop down box on the last page saying "one of the following applies to me". The options are 'university degree', 'will graduate within 6 months', 'Internship applicant', 'Eligible for Working Holiday visa' and 'Valid work visa for Japan'.

Obviously, you are doing something wrong, since it's working just fine for me.


After I got that drop down box (if I can remember correctly--and I selected "university degree") I had to fill out other sections. I came to a section where I could choose to make an account and password. I did.

The sections were as follows:

Emergency Contact --> Work Docs --> Education --> Languages --> Certificates --> Work History --> Work Prefs.

I filled it all out, gave them my location, everything they wanted. I clearly stated that I'm not in Japan on more than one page. After I submitted my application I was able to view the "Job Application" page.

The Job Application page ONLY shows stuff for people within Japan.

Maybe since I submitted more info than you I'm able to see that jobs that I don't really need to be seeing, but I will see the jobs for overseas when they pop up?

I was under the impression that the jobs for overseas people would be visible at this time. They won't be until later?

This is my first time going through this, forgive me.
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Bread



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't applied to Interac, but I think the way it generally works with companies hiring from overseas is that there aren't any specific jobs for you, they just hire you and plug you wherever they have an opening that they can't fill with in-country people. That's how the big eikaiwas do it, anyway. You're almost certainly not going to be applying to specific jobs; you've probably already submitted your application and are just supposed to wait for them to contact you.
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Imseriouslylost



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bread wrote:
You're almost certainly not going to be applying to specific jobs; you've probably already submitted your application and are just supposed to wait for them to contact you.


Thats what I thought. The job application section threw me off quite a bit and I did send out some emails. Oh well, lets see what happens.
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds as though you might have submitted what you needed to and then just kept going trying to find something you simply aren't going to find.

As Bread said, Interac doesn't list positions avaliable to overseas recruits. They can't guarentee that they will still have the contracts for any of the thousands of placements they have the following spring, so there is no way they could advertise individual posts even if they wanted to.

Besides in any dispatch company worldwide, the workers don't choose where they work. The company receives a request for workers, and the company sends whoever they think is appropriate. Interac is no different. The may try to match your preferences to a placement if they can, but if they can't, they won't lose any sleep over it; they'll just send you where your needed.

EDIT: Sorry was on the phone whilst typing. Took me so long to hit submit that you had already responded to bread. Nevermind.
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