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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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 Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Not much longer! |
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| wildchild wrote: |
you get it here, in Mex.
you enter on a tourist visa, then apply to change your status. |
| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
Not for much longer  
Big changes are coming  |
??? What do you know that I don't? |
A lot actually 
But I'm not at liberty to discuss certain things.
Suffice to say very big changes are coming soon. These will affect all of us. |
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wildchild
Joined: 14 Nov 2005
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Location: Puebla 2009 - 2010
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:18 am Post subject: |
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sure thing, man.
and hey guys, whatever he says, don't drink the punch.
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| wildchild wrote: |
sure thing, man.
and hey guys, whatever he says, don't drink the punch.
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No problem 
Perhaps I can supply more details soon. |
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chenn0
Joined: 03 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:46 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I'm aware of that in-and-out-under-the-table tactic that a lot of Americans do, but I really would like to do this legally and avoid any need to do anything like that.
How often do they change the status of a tourist visa? Is that super hard to get done? Also, is it true that you can only get it done in D.F? |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| chenn0 wrote: |
Yeah I'm aware of that in-and-out-under-the-table tactic that a lot of Americans do, but I really would like to do this legally and avoid any need to do anything like that.
How often do they change the status of a tourist visa? Is that super hard to get done? Also, is it true that you can only get it done in D.F? |
Not sure about the first part...? They will process an application for a FM-3 on any normal business day, and that process can take anywhere from weeks to months.
There are regional offices of the INM in every state of Mexico plus DF.
Check out the link below:
http://www.inm.gob.mx/EN/index.php |
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Tretyakovskii
Joined: 14 Aug 2009
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Location: Cancun, Mexico
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:48 am Post subject: INSIDE KNOWLEDGE |
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| I don't know about any new procedures that may or may not be put in place in the future, but I just had my FMT changed to FM3, with permission to work, forma independiente, in country, today. |
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geaaronson
Joined: 19 Apr 2005
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:45 pm Post subject: furthermore |
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| Not only Americans, but all gringoes, chenn0. I know of a Brit who was in Mexico city for 5 years without an FM3 and a Canadian who pays someone at the airport every 6 months to get his FMT renewed so he doesn�t have to go through the legal hassle of getting an FM3. |
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wildchild
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Location: Puebla 2009 - 2010
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| a Canadian who pays someone at the airport every 6 months to get his FMT renewed so he doesn�t have to go through the legal hassle of getting an FM3. |
and what he's doing now is not a hassle??? |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Location: A World of my Own
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| a Canadian who pays someone at the airport every 6 months to get his FMT renewed so he doesn�t have to go through the legal hassle of getting an FM3. |
and what he's doing now is not a hassle??? |
Yeah! I really don't understand what the problem is getting an FM3 and why people go to such lengths to avoid it. It's a piece of p***. |
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chenn0
Joined: 03 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
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Yeah I'm aware of that in-and-out-under-the-table tactic that a lot of Americans do, but I really would like to do this legally and avoid any need to do anything like that.
How often do they change the status of a tourist visa? Is that super hard to get done? Also, is it true that you can only get it done in D.F? |
Not sure about the first part...? They will process an application for a FM-3 on any normal business day, and that process can take anywhere from weeks to months.
There are regional offices of the INM in every state of Mexico plus DF.
Check out the link below:
http://www.inm.gob.mx/EN/index.php |
You mean by the "first part" by me asking "How often do they change the status of a tourist visa? Is that super hard to get done?"...
Wow, it could take months? So to even apply for the FM3, you must first be inside of Mexico, yes? And if it were to take months, what are the possibilities of even getting a job during the wait? |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| chenn0 wrote: |
| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
| chenn0 wrote: |
Yeah I'm aware of that in-and-out-under-the-table tactic that a lot of Americans do, but I really would like to do this legally and avoid any need to do anything like that.
How often do they change the status of a tourist visa? Is that super hard to get done? Also, is it true that you can only get it done in D.F? |
Not sure about the first part...? They will process an application for a FM-3 on any normal business day, and that process can take anywhere from weeks to months.
There are regional offices of the INM in every state of Mexico plus DF.
Check out the link below:
http://www.inm.gob.mx/EN/index.php |
You mean by the "first part" by me asking "How often do they change the status of a tourist visa? Is that super hard to get done?"...
Wow, it could take months? So to even apply for the FM3, you must first be inside of Mexico, yes? And if it were to take months, what are the possibilities of even getting a job during the wait? |
You can't legally work without a FM-3. But many people do work illegally while waiting. It's nothing like a greencard in the US. A FM-3 will say something like this:
Permission to work as an English Teacher at ABC English School, Mexico DF.
If you move (for example, 2 blocks down the street), you need to report your change of address and take the FM-3 back to immigration and have them update it.
If you want to work as a translator for ABC school, you're need to do another application and pay the fee again.
If you want to work in another school, that's another application and fee payment.
And the FM-3 is only good for one year. Then you can renew it. |
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chenn0
Joined: 03 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:21 am Post subject: |
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A year, huh? Are they expensive?
Would you say that most schools don't mind having you work illegally while awaiting FM3? |
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Oreen Scott
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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Location: Oaxaca, Mexico
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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In general, a school will hire you then assist you in getting your FM-3.
I paid $1,900 in 2008 for an FM-3 indenpentdent, I was in Chihuahua at the time. To renew was $2,100 here in Oaxaca.
Sorry, I don't remember what the FM-T cost me. You get the FM-T at the border crossing. I think all I needed was my passport.
You need an FM-T in order to get an FM-3.
Both in Chihuahua and Oaxaca it took two weeks to get my FM-3 from when the documents were submitted to picking up the FM-3.
In both immigration offices the process was quick without any hassles. And only two trips were required (one to drop off copies of my documents and another to pick up the FM-3) because I had all my docuements in order before leaving Canada. I knew exactly what was required because the information was posted on the Vancouver Mexican Embassy site.
Personally, I don't think Mexico is any different than any other country when it comes to admitting foreigners. All countries have rules and it's best to know the rules and follow them. The laws are clearly spelled out by the country you are wanting to work in, it's just a matter of finding the primary source.
Anything you read on a forum is secondary source, interesting, sometimes correct, sometimes inaccurate. |
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Phil_K
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Anything you read on a forum is secondary source, interesting, sometimes correct, sometimes inaccurate. |
VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION 
Be careful though, the INM website lists of requirements are not always complete for all processes. I found that out to my cost doing some tr�mite. I had to make another journey!
The primary source in this case is definitely the information desk in the immigration office. |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Oreen Scott wrote: |
In general, a school will hire you then assist you in getting your FM-3.
I paid $1,900 in 2008 for an FM-3 indenpentdent, I was in Chihuahua at the time. To renew was $2,100 here in Oaxaca.
Sorry, I don't remember what the FM-T cost me. You get the FM-T at the border crossing. I think all I needed was my passport.
You need an FM-T in order to get an FM-3.
Both in Chihuahua and Oaxaca it took two weeks to get my FM-3 from when the documents were submitted to picking up the FM-3.
In both immigration offices the process was quick without any hassles. And only two trips were required (one to drop off copies of my documents and another to pick up the FM-3) because I had all my docuements in order before leaving Canada. I knew exactly what was required because the information was posted on the Vancouver Mexican Embassy site.
Personally, I don't think Mexico is any different than any other country when it comes to admitting foreigners. All countries have rules and it's best to know the rules and follow them. The laws are clearly spelled out by the country you are wanting to work in, it's just a matter of finding the primary source.
Anything you read on a forum is secondary source, interesting, sometimes correct, sometimes inaccurate. |
Note: Mexico's National Migration Institute (INM) is a part of the Ministry of the Interior (SEGOB). Mexico's Ministry of Foreign Relations (SRE) is in charge of Mexican embassies and consulates abroad.
As a result Mexican embassies and consulates are often not aware of INM requirements and procedures.
The law says one thing, but it's being interpreted in different ways by different personnel at the various INM Regional Delegations throughout Mexico.
It took me 8 months to get my FM-3 back from INM once. A friend of mine took over a year to get his back from INM.
FM-T's will be given on-board aircraft (free) when entering Mexico from a foreign country. Crossing by land you have to ask and pay for one (about 220 pesos).
US citizens don't actually need a passport to enter Mexico as a tourist(Mexico never changed it's laws) but they will need one to return to the US or for processing a FM-3 inside Mexico.
http://www.inm.gob.mx/EN/index.php?page/If_you_intend_to_engage |
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