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British Nova teacher murdered in Chiba
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it's all relative. I have seen cases in the US drag on too, but generally if someone is on the run for a long time, one needs

a) help b) to be intelligent when it comes to avoiding the police and records c) money d) fake ids e) ability to change their appearance
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShioriEigoKyoushi wrote:
Apsara wrote:
So what conclusion are you drawing here? That the people at the construction company actually knew who he was but didn't say anything and that this is because they are Japanese?


I personally feel that in Japan a greater level of conviction/confidence/concensus is required over anything before action will be taken. While acknowledging that it's as limited as any cultural generalization can be, I don't see why it shouldn't be applied to circumstances like these.



I might have used the word "racism", but you were the one who suggested that the people at the construction company not reporting him (and so also suggesting that those people would rather work and live with someone they knew could be a murderer than take the step of reporting him) had something to do with their nationality or cultural tendencies- I strongly disagree.

Pretty much as soon as the new picture came out, the people at the construction company reported him, so how can you conclude that they recognised him previously but for some reason chose not to report him at that time? Completely unfounded speculation which is not supported at all by later events. Much more likely I think is that they simply did not recognise him until his new picture started to be shown on the news several times a day. Is that so hard to imagine? Does it have to come down to "it was because they are Japanese", and not "it was because they are human"?
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I side with Apsara on this one.

Though some people might not report someone who had killed someone, but if you're staying in the same dormitory with the guy, unless you're blackmailing him, most likely you don't want a murderer hanging around if you can help it. If he has killed once, what's to stop him from killing you?

Though on the other hand, many people in Japan are police shy; they don't want the police involved if it's at all possible to avoid it. But I would imagine in this case, if nothing else with the reward money, someone might have been motivated (though I believe that no one in Japan has collected any money offered as a reward for a wanted criminal in Japan, it's a recent phenomenon) to report him if they had known, which Apsara and I assert didn't seem to be the case.
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ShioriEigoKyoushi



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Apsara



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Although, it's interesting that his boss only started talking about his suspicions *after he quit* to have surgery (ie when it would no longer be an inconvenience to the business, coupled *with* potential reward money).


His boss started talking about his suspicions *after* Ichihashi's new photo was splashed all over the media, but if you think it was because he had already quit his job and there was a reward offered, what can I say?

As for Geos, all we can do is wait and see. That saga may not be over yet.
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mrbbkk



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:33 am    Post subject: a very rare occurance Reply with quote

This type of thing happens every week in Thailand maybe every day

Japan is still way safer than America There are far more murders there
What is one murder in a greater metroplitan area with over 30 million people
How many people are murdered in california in a day or week or year? A lot less than in Tokyo

I lived in Japan for 14 years and never felt threatened with violence

I think your chances of being murdered in Japan are about the same as getting killed by a bolt of lightning
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NigerianWhisper



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: a very rare occurance Reply with quote

mrbbkk wrote:
This type of thing happens every week in Thailand maybe every day



Yeah, sure it does.
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Cool Teacher



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shirori chan!

You can't go to the police just because someone, like a co-worker, seems weird. Confused If we did that we'd be going to the police all the time. Laughing

What about Harold Shipman who killed 250 people or more. He was working for years and years and killing people but no one told the police. Confused

What about that man in Austira who kept his family in a basement for years and the neighbours said he was a great guy and there was another case like tat in America. Confused

Moist people dont jump to the conclusion that because somoene's weird they must be a murderer. Confused
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's true, then we might have to suspect bad spellers of being up to no good Shocked Cool .
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OneJoelFifty



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Teacher, I hope you're not suggesting that people knew Harold Shipman was killing people but turned a blind eye to it.

I think there are some major differences as to how this would probably have played out in the UK. I think the media coverage would have been greater, and I think the killer wouldn't have even considered staying in the country, but would have high tailed it across to the continent asap. It's not even worth going into how the police would have acted differently.

Perhaps Japanese people simply didn't interfere, perhaps it was a lack of awareness that allowed a fugitive to spend over a year 'on the run' working in a major city. But I don't think you can simply say that the situation was no different in Japan than it would have been anywhere else.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But to say that it would have panned out differently elsewhere is pure speculation, no-one can bring forth any proof that it would have been different if it had happened in Australia or Switzerland rather than Japan for example. Both arguments are totally impossible to support, therefore probably not worth having, I have decided.
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cornishmuppet



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regardless of how they got him in the end, I find it very difficult to believe he would have got away in the first place with nine British police officers outside his front door and on the ground outside his apartment building. I think its pretty safe to say that they would have grabbed him first and worried about the ethics of it later. Making a run for it is pretty much an admission of guilt in my book.
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Cool Teacher



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OneJoelFifty wrote:
Cool Teacher, I hope you're not suggesting that people knew Harold Shipman was killing people but turned a blind eye to it.


No, I'm not. The suggestion is outrageous and it is outrageous to think tha the people at his comapny knew Ichihashi was there and turned a blind eye to it. Confused
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OneJoelFifty



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20091208i1.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20japantimes%20%28The%20Japan%20Times%3A%20All%20Stories%29

I thought some of you might find this interesting, it certainly explains how he could remain undetected. Also sounds like an area I'd like to visit. Anyone been there?
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Threnody



Joined: 13 Nov 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OneJoelFifty wrote:
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20091208i1.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20japantimes%20%28The%20Japan%20Times%3A%20All%20Stories%29

I thought some of you might find this interesting, it certainly explains how he could remain undetected. Also sounds like an area I'd like to visit. Anyone been there?


Seconded - I've not been there either, but Nishinari sounds like an intriguing place. Thanks for the link! Very Happy
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