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veiledsentiments
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| EnglishDoYouSpeakIt wrote: |
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Wait... so those legally married are complaining because they are unable to bring their wives? But those with supposedly fake marriage certificates have been able to bring theirs... but are now complaining about the married housing?
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'married' teachers, both with the same company. |
You didn't answer the question.
Are married people not allowed to bring their spouses?
While fake married people are allowed to bring them?
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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This is a screwy-a$$ thead!
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tacomaboywa
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
This is a screwy-a$$ thead!
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It sure is if the original author continues to gloss over the many questions that have been made. At this point, this thread is going nowhere. |
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EnglishDoYouSpeakIt
Joined: 19 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
You didn't answer the question.
Are married people not allowed to bring their spouses?
While fake married people are allowed to bring them?
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People who have come here with hopes that their wives (and in some cases children) could soon follow have been unable to do so as of yet, and they haven't been given a date as to when it may happen.
As for those who are here with their wives, they (husband and wive) are both teachers with the same company.
As far as I know no one has been able to bring their wive or family over if they aren't employed by the company. This is probably because we don't have proper work visas (they actually say "Not permitted to work" on them) and are basically illegal workers at this point. |
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tacomaboywa
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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So you and everyone else with your company are here illegally working. Well, then all they can really do is try to find an alternative job or leave. There is plenty of information on these forums and the web about companies that bypass the saudi labor laws by brining people in on Business Visas (and now Government Visas) People need to investigate the situation first before accepting a job in KSA (or anywhere). At least I hope that more people will find this information here and avoid such situations.
So which company or recruiter is this?
http://www.tulbah.org/ |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| If its rampant now, wouldn't that make it par for this course? |
Is it rampant now? Nobody I know (and I have friends working in places all over KSA) has had such experiences. I think - hope - such behaviour is mostly confined to the new recruiter breed - which of course is why we all warned people against them.
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People who have come here with hopes that their wives (and in some cases children) could soon follow have been unable to do so as of yet, and they haven't been given a date as to when it may happen.
As for those who are here with their wives, they (husband and wive) are both teachers with the same company |
So we're talking about two very different situations, then. There's a big difference bringing over two employees who happen to be married, than bringing over a teacher and their non-working spouse. And saying people came here with 'hopes' that their family would follow doesn't tell us much. Were the teachers told that their family could come? And if so, were they given a timeline? If these teachers have only been here a month, it's likely their own papers have only been issued in the past two weeks at most. The process for bringing over relatives cannot start until the teacher himself has his iqama. Many employers also like to wait until the employee has passed his probation.
So,as I've said, it all depends on what these people were or were not told by their employers. So far you've been pretty vague about this. That's why we can't tell if these complaints are justified or not. |
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Hiawatha
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:40 am Post subject: unhappy with your contract maybe you're doing it wrong |
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To the original poster, Englishcanyouspeakit
One of the main purposes of this forum is for teachers to be able to come here and complain.......and ask or answer questions.
It is a much needed service to us the EFLers.
Also, in the expat workplace many of us will "complain" or freely share our situation since we are somewhat isolated in this line of work.
In my case I would not come here with phony marriage documents, yet I can understand and do not judge those wanting to since there is little or no dating here. H. |
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davt
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:25 am Post subject: WHAT THE.....? |
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| an employee has every right to express dissatisfaction with the fact that he/she has been misled and lied to, and offered false promises. An employment contract is a serious matter not to be taken lightly. To excuse it and say "oh this is saudi and that's how it is, love or leave it" is ridiculous. It is a job not a vacation. A JOB. BE PROFESSIONAL. Teaching is serious business not a jaunt. This is why ESL is not taken seriously. There are too many people in this field that should NOT be in it. These people are not educators. If more serious ESL educators stood up to many of these blatantly illegal and unethical practices we would be taken seriously. Unfortunately as it stands, there is a feeling by potential schools that anyone can be an ESL teacher. Thanks to all the yahoos that fall into this field. There are too many unqualified people in this field who have no teacher training, no nothing. and, worse they lie about their experience. I have seen it too many times. this is why I am leaving TESL |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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teflers feed offa each other. I'll guarantee you that 90-95% of this new breed coming in through recritiers and possessing improper visas either don't have tefl quals or relevant degrees.
Those who do...and are real about what they do, have the advanced relevant degree and apply directly. That's why you don't hear them complaining. They're hired professionals doing professional jobs.
The rest are native/near native speaking rookies trying to grab "big bucks". 
IMHO USD 3000-3500 are NOT "big bucks". 
Sorry if this hits too close to home for some...I'll go cry you a river...
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