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Kalima Shahada
Joined: 11 Sep 2009
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Location: I live in a house, but my home is in the stable.
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| If your employer wishes to keep you in Saudi Arabia for three months and never give you an Iqama, they can do that. |
He'd have to give you your salary up to that time and pay your fare back. Most employers put a three month probation period into the contract, so within that three-month period you can be fired and the salary and airfare is all you're due. Why they should not get you an iqama as they can do that is beyond me. |
Yes, by Saudi law that is true, but how many employers follow the law and honor their own contracts?! Not many!
More and more people are constantly complaining that they are not being paid in full. Definately forget about being paid your overtime regardless of what it says in your contract!
At the end of your three months, your employer can simply end your contract (for whatever reason). They could also send you back to get another work visa because they weren't able to organize an Iqama the first time around. That's what happened to most people where I worked.
And we never got our medical insurance! |
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InterRick
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Oh boy... loin girding... one of my favorites...
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And golden calves, one of mine!
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Anyway, maybe KS really did have a positive experience with the embassy. She may have gotten lucky and reached a new foreign service worker in their first week on the job, before they learned how to do it (im)"properly."
KS, do you know if it was a new worker? |
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Kalima Shahada
Joined: 11 Sep 2009
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Location: I live in a house, but my home is in the stable.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Oh boy... loin girding... one of my favorites...
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And golden calves, one of mine!
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Anyway, maybe KS really did have a positive experience with the embassy. She may have gotten lucky and reached a new foreign service worker in their first week on the job, before they learned how to do it (im)"properly."
KS, do you know if it was a new worker? |
The two people who helped me were definately not new! I did speak with a few new people before I got to the right people who had the power and wasta to get things done. I guess I know how to reach the right people. I was always taught to ignore 'ducks' and look for 'swans.' |
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scot47
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KS uses confusing terminology. There is an exit re-entry visa and there is a final exit visa. Why invent the term "exit visa" unless it is to sow confusion ?
From her redoubt in SE Asia with her two months unsuccesful working experience in KSA, she is not the best source to consult on working in KSA.
Coming to KSA is a serioius and life-changing decision. Do not rely on information from dubious sources ! |
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Englishish
Joined: 01 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess I know how to reach the right people. I was always taught to ignore 'ducks' and look for 'swans.' |
I always assume I'll need to jump through a few hoops in order to get anything done but the ducks and swans expression is quite apt. Trouble is, by the time people have finished dealing with the ducks, there's often no energy left for starting again with the swans! |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
Joined: 22 Oct 2004
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Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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KS...with her two months unsuccesful working experience in KSA...is not the best source...
Coming to KSA is a serioius and life-changing decision. Do not rely on information from dubious sources ! |
Well put, Scot...
NCTBA |
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tacomaboywa
Joined: 18 Jan 2009
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Location: The Magic Kingdom
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Yeah, you have to be careful of the information posted on these forums. However, its the Magic Kingdom after all and you never know what might be true and not true. Anything could happen here.
In any case, research before coming to KSA. The more you know, the better off you'll be.
http://www.tulbah.org/ |
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sr
Joined: 05 Oct 2009
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| Just found the address for the Arab news in Jeddah, and the email addresses of the editor and an American correspondent. I mailed them the information on M Trading, so let�s see if they post anything or if they reply to me. I won�t hold my breath, but at least it has been mailed to another source in Saudi. Hey maybe they will contact M Trading, and tell them what other people are saying. Yes I know M Trading knows what people are saying about them outside Saudi, but now someone within Saudi knows. |
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tacomaboywa
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Location: The Magic Kingdom
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| Just found the address for the Arab news in Jeddah, and the email addresses of the editor and an American correspondent. I mailed them the information on M Trading, so let�s see if they post anything or if they reply to me. I won�t hold my breath, but at least it has been mailed to another source in Saudi. Hey maybe they will contact M Trading, and tell them what other people are saying. Yes I know M Trading knows what people are saying about them outside Saudi, but now someone within Saudi knows. |
Well, we can only hope that the truth comes out about M-Trading. What they are doing is illegal and just nasty. A Saudi friend of mine is checking with some of his lawyer friends about all of this. It would be nice for M-Trading to receive some justice. Anything would be nice at this point.
We need to gather more evidence. If anyone has any evidence in M-Trading's wrong-doing please go to:
http://www.tulbah.org/
Tell your story. Email information to [email protected] in order to build a case. Anything can help. |
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sr
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| I have the original information on file, but when I posted it I had to delete names etc, but I will gladly send it to you. Look for it in the email. |
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tacomaboywa
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Location: The Magic Kingdom
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Thanks! I believe you're unedited version is on http://www.tulbah.org/ .
Again, if anyone has a story or evidence of M-Trading's wrong-doing, go to
http://www.tulbah.org/ and tell your story or send them the info by email.
Just out of curiosity, let's see if we can compile a list of all the recruiting companies we know of on this thread or a new one. We'll start the list off with:
M-Trading
http://www.tulbah.org/ |
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Englishish
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| Just out of curiosity, let's see if we can compile a list of all the recruiting companies we know of on this thread |
For the purposes of what exactly? (Yes, I know you wrote 'curiosity' before someone points it out to me!)
Bell
I hear a lot of criticisms of the recruitment companies in general so it would be interesting to hear which ones DON'T have a bad name though I'm not always sure if it's the recruitment company or the actual company they're recruiting for that people have problems with. |
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tacomaboywa
Joined: 18 Jan 2009
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Location: The Magic Kingdom
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:59 am Post subject: Recruitment Companies in KSA |
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| Just out of curiosity, let's see if we can compile a list of all the recruiting companies we know of on this thread |
For the purposes of what exactly? (Yes, I know you wrote 'curiosity' before someone points it out to me!)
Bell
I hear a lot of criticisms of the recruitment companies in general so it would be interesting to hear which ones DON'T have a bad name though I'm not always sure if it's the recruitment company or the actual company they're recruiting for that people have problems with. |
My curiosity is leaning me in the direction of compiling a list of companies such as M-Trading, who recruit teachers and bring them to KSA on Business/Government Visas. In the case of M-Trading they act as the middle man and all the money flows through them and they pay the teachers. In all actuality the teachers are working for M-Trading at various locations throughout KSA. M-Trading takes a minimum 25% cut on everything. Some have estimated that their regular cut is closer to 50% or more of the total money that is given for each teacher they recruit for any given University.
If you can help compile this list it would be a great asset to those who do some research about these companies.
Recruiting Companies to Avoid
Name: M-Trading
Type of Visa: Business Visa
Method of Pay: Via M-Trading
Related Info: http://www.tulbah.org/
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saharastars
Joined: 30 Sep 2009
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Location: Wonderland
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:19 am Post subject: |
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| Brillaint idea. |
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Englishish
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It IS a good idea but maybe you'd be better off starting a new thread so that more people will see it. Also, might it be better to have ALL the recruiting companies rather than just the bad ones so that people can see the better AND the worse ones? After all, some companies might not fall into the black/white distinction so easily so it would be a more flexible approach.
For example, some agencies might bring you in with the proper work visa but they don't pay you on time whereas another company might do the opposite. Which one is better here? But don't get me wrong; I understand from what's been written that some like MK Trading fall very clearly into one category! |
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