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Sashadroogie
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 Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:02 pm Post subject: Academic tenure |
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| I have worked in some universities in various countries, or their language depts. But it was always on an annually renewable contract basis. From what I understand from colleagues, this seems to be the norm for most foreign EFL teachers. Tenure was something that only the locals could aspire to, if even they could. Never really bothered me, as travel plans and a life in academia tend to clash. So just idle curiosity getting the better of me, though. How many posters working in universities have tenure? |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003
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Location: home sweet home
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I never got offered at the two unis I worked at. I have heard of foreigners getting tenure at Korean and Japanese unis, they married locals, maybe that helps? |
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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:23 am Post subject: No tenure offered even if I am in my fifth year! |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| I never got offered (any tenure) at the two unis I worked at. I have heard of foreigners getting tenure at Korean and Japanese unis, they married locals, maybe that helps? |
I'm married and in my fifth full-time year at the private education training centre I work at, which is affiliated to an England-based consortium of universities, to which our students can apply directly without having to take external examinations like IELTS or TOEFL in order to pursue bachelor's or taught master's degree programmes.
Nobody has offered me a contract of more than one year, never mind tenure!  (I could ask, though....)
Still, my position is (thankfully!) secure provided that the management and I are mutually happy with one another! |
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spiral78
Joined: 05 Apr 2004
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Location: On a Short Leash
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| I haven't got one yet, but am in line for it...the four staff at my centre with tenure are all foreigners. It can take up to six years of (well regarded) service, though. It's a major hassle as one can't get a mortgage here without a permanent contract, so it's up to six years of (very high)rent to consider. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| spiral78 wrote: |
| I haven't got one yet, but am in line for it...the four staff at my centre with tenure are all foreigners. It can take up to six years of (well regarded) service, though. It's a major hassle as one can't get a mortgage here without a permanent contract, so it's up to six years of (very high)rent to consider. |
Or paying cash for a flat. How much would one cost there? How long have you been at your uni? HOpe you get tenure! |
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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:37 pm Post subject: Marry a local! |
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| spiral78 wrote: |
| It's a major hassle as one can't get a mortgage here without a permanent contract, so it's up to six years of (very high) rent to consider. |
Either that or else get married to a local - I did!  |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Cash for a flat in Holland???
200,000 Euro minimum |
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Justin Trullinger
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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You can somtimes get a deal if you offer to pay cash. Maybe only $190K?
(WHich, on a teacher's salary, would take...oh, never mind.)
It was interesting to me that, when I was in the US last spring, I saw that a lot of US universities now run their EFL departments as kind of "outsiders," without tenure options.
Bes,t
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Trullinger wrote: |
You can somtimes get a deal if you offer to pay cash. Maybe only $190K?
(WHich, on a teacher's salary, would take...oh, never mind.) |
I guess that's one good thing about Latin AMerica. Saving on a teacher's salary is hard, which is why I'd like to transition out of TEFL in the next couple of years. |
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